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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;mrbrklyn, post: 514469, member: 4381&quot;]Presumed Innocent is useless in civil matters, but the takings clause does give you some protection, but not enough.&nbsp; This is a treaty and when a treaty is involved, such as in much of copyright law, civil and constitutional rights get utterly bent up except for the most extreme cases.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is very easy for a law such as this to be passed in the US and if we are a signer to this treaty, you can bet that something is brewing and that this won&#039;t be isolated to Germany alone.</p><p><br /></p><p>Treaties really suck...and are dangerous</p><p><br /></p><p>Ruben[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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