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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 4567602, member: 10461"]<font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>German States (Saxony): silver thaler, "3 Brothers" type, 1596-HB, Dresden mint</b></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1262275[/ATTACH] </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Obverse:</b> Half-length facing figures of three brothers in circle, head of middle figure divides date, small <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger" rel="nofollow">imperial orb</a> above, titles in legend.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Reverse: </b>FRAT : ET. DV - CES. SAXON, 13-fold arms with central shield of electoral Saxony breaking legend at bottom.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Issuer: </b><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electorate_of_Saxony" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electorate_of_Saxony" rel="nofollow">Electorate of Saxony</a>, in the names of brothers <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_II,_Elector_of_Saxony" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_II,_Elector_of_Saxony" rel="nofollow">Christian II</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_I,_Elector_of_Saxony" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_I,_Elector_of_Saxony" rel="nofollow">Johan Georg I</a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_of_Saxony" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_of_Saxony" rel="nofollow">August</a>, sons of Elector <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_I,_Elector_of_Saxony#Family" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_I,_Elector_of_Saxony#Family" rel="nofollow">Christian I</a> from the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wettin#Albertines" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wettin#Albertines" rel="nofollow">Albertine</a> line.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Specifications:</b> Silver, 38 mm approx., 27.06 g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden" rel="nofollow">Dresden</a> mint.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Grade: </b><a href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640161" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640161" rel="nofollow">PCGS Genuine</a>; VF detail, "tooling", cert #39640161.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Reference:</b> <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40204.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40204.html" rel="nofollow">Numista-40204</a>, Davenport-9820, MB-314 (also Keilitz/Kahnt-186, Schnee-754, per Künker am Dom.<a href="https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645" rel="nofollow">*</a>)</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Provenance:</b> ex-Künker am Dom, Germany, via MA-Shops, 19 May 2020.<a href="https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645" rel="nofollow">*</a> Purchased raw.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Notes:</b> the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" rel="nofollow">thaler</a> was a large silver coin weighing about an ounce. The thaler was the ancestor of all later <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar#Etymology_of_%22dollar%22" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar#Etymology_of_%22dollar%22" rel="nofollow">dollar</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(British_coin)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(British_coin)" rel="nofollow">crown</a>-sized coins. In fact, the word "dollar" was derived from "thaler". Thalers usually had elaborate designs and are avidly sought by collectors.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Comments:</b> I'd collect more thalers if I could, but they can be pricey, and "thalermania" is not a condition I could afford! But I'm happy to have this one. I've always liked this "Three Brothers" type, even when the boys look a tad spooky. (<i>Especially</i> when they look a tad spooky.) This is an attractively toned example, too. </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">*Post-slab update: the "Genuine/VF details" outcome at PCGS was disappointing, and the notation about "tooling" a tad mysterious, as I do not see any trace of tooling on the obverse or reverse of the coin. I suspect there must be some subtle traces of an old mount removal on the edge. Thalers of this era were often mounted with attachments (silver loops) so they could be worn like medallions, and it is not uncommon for such mounts to have been later removed, and thus "tooled" (filed slightly) in the process.</font></font></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262275[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262278[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262273[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262276[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262279[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262274[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1262277[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="1"><span style="color: #000000">033811S</span></font></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 4567602, member: 10461"][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]German States (Saxony): silver thaler, "3 Brothers" type, 1596-HB, Dresden mint[/B] [ATTACH=full]1262275[/ATTACH] [B]Obverse:[/B] Half-length facing figures of three brothers in circle, head of middle figure divides date, small [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger']imperial orb[/URL] above, titles in legend. [B]Reverse: [/B]FRAT : ET. DV - CES. SAXON, 13-fold arms with central shield of electoral Saxony breaking legend at bottom. [B]Issuer: [/B][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electorate_of_Saxony']Electorate of Saxony[/URL], in the names of brothers [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_II,_Elector_of_Saxony']Christian II[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_George_I,_Elector_of_Saxony']Johan Georg I[/URL], and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_of_Saxony']August[/URL], sons of Elector [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_I,_Elector_of_Saxony#Family']Christian I[/URL] from the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wettin#Albertines']Albertine[/URL] line. [B]Specifications:[/B] Silver, 38 mm approx., 27.06 g. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden']Dresden[/URL] mint. [B]Grade: [/B][URL='https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640161']PCGS Genuine[/URL]; VF detail, "tooling", cert #39640161. [B]Reference:[/B] [URL='https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40204.html']Numista-40204[/URL], Davenport-9820, MB-314 (also Keilitz/Kahnt-186, Schnee-754, per Künker am Dom.[URL='https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645']*[/URL]) [B]Provenance:[/B] ex-Künker am Dom, Germany, via MA-Shops, 19 May 2020.[URL='https://www.ma-shops.com/kuenkeramdom/item.php?id=14645']*[/URL] Purchased raw. [B]Notes:[/B] the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler']thaler[/URL] was a large silver coin weighing about an ounce. The thaler was the ancestor of all later [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar#Etymology_of_%22dollar%22']dollar[/URL] and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_(British_coin)']crown[/URL]-sized coins. In fact, the word "dollar" was derived from "thaler". Thalers usually had elaborate designs and are avidly sought by collectors. [B]Comments:[/B] I'd collect more thalers if I could, but they can be pricey, and "thalermania" is not a condition I could afford! But I'm happy to have this one. I've always liked this "Three Brothers" type, even when the boys look a tad spooky. ([I]Especially[/I] when they look a tad spooky.) This is an attractively toned example, too. *Post-slab update: the "Genuine/VF details" outcome at PCGS was disappointing, and the notation about "tooling" a tad mysterious, as I do not see any trace of tooling on the obverse or reverse of the coin. I suspect there must be some subtle traces of an old mount removal on the edge. Thalers of this era were often mounted with attachments (silver loops) so they could be worn like medallions, and it is not uncommon for such mounts to have been later removed, and thus "tooled" (filed slightly) in the process.[/SIZE][/FONT] [ATTACH=full]1262275[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262278[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262273[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262276[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262279[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262274[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1262277[/ATTACH] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000]033811S[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
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