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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 26695487, member: 10461"]<font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>German States (Saxony, Albertinian line): 1564-HB silver thaler of Augustus, Elector of Saxony</b></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">NGC XF details (cleaned). <a href="https://www.ngccoin.uk/certlookup/2183137-001/NGCDetails/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.uk/certlookup/2183137-001/NGCDetails/" rel="nofollow">Cert. #2183137-001</a>.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><a href="https://en.numista.com/53745" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/53745" rel="nofollow">Numista-53745</a>, <a href="https://coinvarieties.com/index.php/Saxony_1564-HB_thaler_Dav-9795" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coinvarieties.com/index.php/Saxony_1564-HB_thaler_Dav-9795" rel="nofollow">Davenport-9795</a>.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">Ex-Andy Mirski, at <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lordm-2026-fun-show-report-live-updates-from-the-floor.420707/page-7#post-26632692" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lordm-2026-fun-show-report-live-updates-from-the-floor.420707/page-7#post-26632692">Table 553</a> at the 2026 FUN convention, Orlando, Florida, 10 January 2026. Purchased raw.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">This handsome large silver <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" rel="nofollow">thaler</a> was struck under the authority of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus,_Elector_of_Saxony" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus,_Elector_of_Saxony" rel="nofollow">Augustus, Elector of Saxony</a>, who was one of the rulers of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertinian_Line" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertinian_Line" rel="nofollow">Albertinian Line</a> under the powerful <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg" rel="nofollow">Habsburg Dynasty</a>. The thaler is the ancestor of the world's subsequent large silver coins, and it is from "thaler" that the word "dollar" had its origins. </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">I have long liked this particular type, with the ruler in profile holding a sword over his right shoulder and a mace in his left hand. It is a very martial design. The intricate coats of arms on coins of this era are also interesting. </font></font><font size="5"><font face="Georgia">I liked the eye appeal of this particular example. It has light toning and a slightly doubled strike. </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">Before buying it, I examined the edge closely for any traces of old jewelry mounts, as that is an issue with so many old thaler coins, and I was wary of receiving a "details" grade from NGC after submitting it to them at the show. As it came to pass, that wasn't the problem. NGC indeed gave it a "details" grade, but for <i>cleaning</i> rather than mount removal. I was disappointed. It should come as no surprise that a coin more than 460 years old got cleaned once upon a time. What disappointed me was that NGC did not deem this light cleaning to be "market acceptable" and give the coin a straight grade. (I've seen worse in straight-graded holders.) This presented me with a dilemma. I generally avoid "details" graded coins in my collection. But I like this one enough that I'm making an exception for it.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1703468[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703469[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703470[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703471[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703472[/ATTACH] </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><span style="color: #ffffff">061300</span></font></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 26695487, member: 10461"][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]German States (Saxony, Albertinian line): 1564-HB silver thaler of Augustus, Elector of Saxony[/B] NGC XF details (cleaned). [URL='https://www.ngccoin.uk/certlookup/2183137-001/NGCDetails/']Cert. #2183137-001[/URL]. [URL='https://en.numista.com/53745']Numista-53745[/URL], [URL='https://coinvarieties.com/index.php/Saxony_1564-HB_thaler_Dav-9795']Davenport-9795[/URL]. Ex-Andy Mirski, at [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lordm-2026-fun-show-report-live-updates-from-the-floor.420707/page-7#post-26632692']Table 553[/URL] at the 2026 FUN convention, Orlando, Florida, 10 January 2026. Purchased raw. This handsome large silver [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler']thaler[/URL] was struck under the authority of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus,_Elector_of_Saxony']Augustus, Elector of Saxony[/URL], who was one of the rulers of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albertinian_Line']Albertinian Line[/URL] under the powerful [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg']Habsburg Dynasty[/URL]. The thaler is the ancestor of the world's subsequent large silver coins, and it is from "thaler" that the word "dollar" had its origins. I have long liked this particular type, with the ruler in profile holding a sword over his right shoulder and a mace in his left hand. It is a very martial design. The intricate coats of arms on coins of this era are also interesting. [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia]I liked the eye appeal of this particular example. It has light toning and a slightly doubled strike. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5] Before buying it, I examined the edge closely for any traces of old jewelry mounts, as that is an issue with so many old thaler coins, and I was wary of receiving a "details" grade from NGC after submitting it to them at the show. As it came to pass, that wasn't the problem. NGC indeed gave it a "details" grade, but for [I]cleaning[/I] rather than mount removal. I was disappointed. It should come as no surprise that a coin more than 460 years old got cleaned once upon a time. What disappointed me was that NGC did not deem this light cleaning to be "market acceptable" and give the coin a straight grade. (I've seen worse in straight-graded holders.) This presented me with a dilemma. I generally avoid "details" graded coins in my collection. But I like this one enough that I'm making an exception for it. [ATTACH=full]1703468[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703469[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703470[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703471[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1703472[/ATTACH] [COLOR=#ffffff]061300[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
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