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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;chrisild, post: 70438, member: 39&quot;]Both are Notgeld issues, from the years between WW1 and the &quot;hyperinflation&quot; of 1922/23. Such pieces were not issued by a central bank or national government but by a city, county, etc.&nbsp; Which is also why you won‘t find them in the KM but only in specialized Notgeld catalogs.</p><p><br /></p><p>The first piece was issued by the city of Bonn, NW (&quot;Stadt Bonn&quot;), face value 25 Pfennig. The angry looking dude is, you guessed it, the composer Ludwig van Beethoven who was born in that city in 1770 (ie. 150 years before the piece was issued).</p><p><br /></p><p>The second one is from Barmen which back then was a city by itself and later became part of the city of Wuppertal, NW. Face value 10 Pfennig, and &quot;Kriegsgeld&quot; means &quot;war money&quot; which is why I guess the year is 1917, not &#039;71 <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; The lion can still be found in the CoA of Wuppertal and other cities in that region.</p><p><br /></p><p>Christian[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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