I bought a couple of these a few years ago in ultra cameo proof 68. When they arrived I regretted the purchase. They are odd to say the least. Everything is out of proportion and frankly the engraver needs to go back to art class. I still have them because nobody else seemed to want them. Hopefully as silver prices continue to rise I can get my money back at the silver guys place downtown. One of the worst purchases I have made in many years