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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4786949, member: 110350"]Thanks for this. I had no idea that a turreted crown is still an attribute of Italia even now, after 2,000 years. Or that her depiction wearing one descends directly from depictions of Cybele, who is portrayed with a turreted crown on more than one Republican coin -- for example, the obverse of the Aulus Plautius denarius with the Bacchius Iudaeus with camel reverse that I posted in another thread just yesterday:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1163726[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>(Cybele asked me to convey her apologies for her poor skin condition. It doesn't show that much without magnification. Always a mistake to look at one's skin that way.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I also find it interesting how generic some of the personifications are. Nilus and the personification of the Euphrates seem way more individualized than the personifications of the Rhine and the Tiber, which appear only to have generic nautical attributes like boats, etc. portrayed with them. And, unlike Aegyptos and Dacia, among others, the portrayals of Asia (with a hook and rudder) and the two Pannoniae (one with a standard) also seem pretty generic. For some provinces, there may not have been any specific attributes that the public would immediately recognize. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also, assuming that the gender of a personification was determined by the grammatical gender of the location's name -- hence most provinces being portrayed as female, and most rivers as male -- I wonder why one of the portrayals of Germania posted in this thread appears to be clearly male, and the other female. Unless the male one is simply "a defeated German warrior," and the female is the actual personification "Germania."* I've been assuming that the Trajan Decius personification of Dacia that I posted is male -- because that's how the figure looks to me -- but perhaps not.</p><p><br /></p><p>*Just as (see the recent thread on the subject) the actual personification "Virtus" is always female, whereas male portrayals accompanying a "Virtus" legend are not the personification herself, but rather the emperor or a soldier reflecting the attributes of "Virtus."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4786949, member: 110350"]Thanks for this. I had no idea that a turreted crown is still an attribute of Italia even now, after 2,000 years. Or that her depiction wearing one descends directly from depictions of Cybele, who is portrayed with a turreted crown on more than one Republican coin -- for example, the obverse of the Aulus Plautius denarius with the Bacchius Iudaeus with camel reverse that I posted in another thread just yesterday: [ATTACH=full]1163726[/ATTACH] (Cybele asked me to convey her apologies for her poor skin condition. It doesn't show that much without magnification. Always a mistake to look at one's skin that way.) I also find it interesting how generic some of the personifications are. Nilus and the personification of the Euphrates seem way more individualized than the personifications of the Rhine and the Tiber, which appear only to have generic nautical attributes like boats, etc. portrayed with them. And, unlike Aegyptos and Dacia, among others, the portrayals of Asia (with a hook and rudder) and the two Pannoniae (one with a standard) also seem pretty generic. For some provinces, there may not have been any specific attributes that the public would immediately recognize. Also, assuming that the gender of a personification was determined by the grammatical gender of the location's name -- hence most provinces being portrayed as female, and most rivers as male -- I wonder why one of the portrayals of Germania posted in this thread appears to be clearly male, and the other female. Unless the male one is simply "a defeated German warrior," and the female is the actual personification "Germania."* I've been assuming that the Trajan Decius personification of Dacia that I posted is male -- because that's how the figure looks to me -- but perhaps not. *Just as (see the recent thread on the subject) the actual personification "Virtus" is always female, whereas male portrayals accompanying a "Virtus" legend are not the personification herself, but rather the emperor or a soldier reflecting the attributes of "Virtus."[/QUOTE]
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