[Game] World Coins Time Machine… Counting Backward by Year! (Plus Prize Coin)

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  1. gapukas

    gapukas New Member

    1461 - Central Italy

    Struck under an authorization of 8 April 1461 granted as a reward for the
    loyalty of the town during the troubles of 1459-60 they have for the types a
    representation of St Mannus, the local saint, with the mint identified by
    the legend DE CIVITA DVCALI or DE CIVITA D. Two denominations also shown symbols taken from the city arms, the double bolognino a tower as inital mark of the reverse, the quattrino a rake above the Florentine lily that forms its reverse type. Cosenza in Calabria has been treated by some scholars as a distinct mint on the authority of an extract from a treasury document published by G. V. Fusco referring to the expenses of minting tornesi in the castle there between march 1460 and november 1461. A number of coins of Ferrante and his successors bearing the cross of Calabria as a reverse type were attributed to it by Fusco and, hesitantly, by Cagiati, but apart from the presence of the cross of Calabria there are no grounds for such attributions. The reference is clearly to temporary minting there during the civil war and the coins struck would have been similar to the those of Naples, though possible marked with the inital of a local mint-master, and are so far unknown.
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  4. tibor

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    @gapukas That is an amazing find. So much numismatic related
    history that I don't know. Thanks for posting!!
     
  5. tibor

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    1460 - IV - 10 - Austria R4 copy.jpg
    I believe this to be IV-10a . Only the "60" from the date
    is visible. Per Robert Levinson " The condition of these tiny
    pieces is rarely strong enough for full attribution".
    This is from his collection.
     
  6. tibor

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    1460-Tyrol-IV-12.jpg
    This was struck at the Meran mint in Tyrol. The date is on the
    left image at 6 o'clock.

    COMES 60 TIROL

    SI GIS MVN DVS
     
  7. gapukas

    gapukas New Member

    Groat of Edward IV - 1460 - Ireland, Made in Dublin

    This coin is an example of an early 'Anonymous Issue' groat of Edward IV of Dublin.
    The legend is clear with no blundering and reads:
    (reverse) CIVITAS DUBLINIE
    Which translates as CITY OF DUBLIN
    This coin type, weighing 45 grains with nine arcs in the tressure around the crown and no symbols in the angles of the tressure, is normally considered to be the earliest of the so called 'anonymous' coinage.
    1460 gave a new era to the Irish currency when a new coinage was struck. Rather than just the penny coin, there were now a range of denominations, the highest being the groat (value, fourpence).

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  8. tibor

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    @gapukas Very nice coin. Here is a coin that is 559 years old and
    it looks like you went back in time and bought it from the mint master.
    Very pleased that you have joined this thread, I'm learning a lot.
     
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  9. tibor

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    1459-Wiener-IV-7.jpg
    This Kreuzer is from the mint in Wiener Neustadt. A bit crude,
    but it's the best I've got.

    ANNO DOMINI 1459 Medieval "4" and "5"

    FRIDERIC RO IMPERA
     
  10. tibor

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    The "58" that I have to post is not much better. I don't have a "57",
    have a "56" and then I hit a dry spell till "50".
     
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  11. tibor

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    1458 - IV -5a copy.jpg
    As promised, here is the 1458, a Kreuzer minted in Graz. I met my
    fathers parents in 1964 in Graz. My parents had escaped Hungary in
    December, 1956. We arranged to meet my grandparents there and
    were able to visit with them for three days. The only time I met my
    grandfather.

    MONETA IN GRECZ 1458 Medieval "4" and "5"

    FRI D G RO IMPERATOR

    I hope someone can find a 1457. If someone can go to ac search
    and type in " 1457 levinson", I-92 will come up. This can be used for
    this date. I'm not sure how to do it without violating copyright law.
    I do have a 1456.
     
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  12. tibor

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    [​IMG]
    A Turnogroschen from Leipzig. Date in Roman numerals inner ring
    left image.


    F DI GRACIA TVRINGE LANG
    ANNO M CCCC LVII

    GROSSVS MARCH MISNENSIS
     
  13. tibor

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    I will post my 1456 tomorrow.
     
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  14. tibor

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    1456-iv2.jpg
    Here is my 1456 piece. I bought this piece from Bob Levinson. As some
    of you know, Bob wrote the book on early dated European coins. A 25+
    year effort. The previous reference was written by Albert Frey in the early
    1900's. Frey's book, while a decent effort considering the times (no internet)
    was chock full of mistakes. If I were guessing, Bob spent a GREAT deal of
    time correcting the mistakes. On top of that he added several hundred new
    found and rare pieces. Bob's collection is second to none. While my collection
    has over 220+ different pieces, his collection is many times larger with
    rare die varieties. His collection for this series of coins is the most complete,
    every bit as vast and amazing as Eliasberg's collection. So when I say I
    acquired a coin from Bob's collection, for me it is a sense of pride.
     
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  15. tibor

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    Per Huszar this piece is attributed to the year 1455
     
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  16. tibor

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    Per Huszar this piece is attributed to the year 1454
     
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  17. tibor

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    Hopefully someone can find the years 1453, 1452, 1451. I'm not
    having much luck. After we find those three dates I can go from
    1450 thru 1443 with coins that I have.
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Wow! @tibor has kept this thread marching on! And whoa, what a coin!
     
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  20. tibor

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    The above post #3798 is attributed to Huszar 637. On ward to
    1452.
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Oh, my. :greedy::greedy::greedy:

    I thought I had stumbled across a @panzerman post for a moment. ;)
     
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