"Gallienus, Do These Make Me Look Fat?"

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I wish I had @TIF's graphics skills for the title of this thread. It calls for a comic.

    Anyways, Salonina has never been a big draw to me, but when I was skimming on ebay as I usually do, I decided to click on this coin for kicks and when I read the description, I noticed the weight, I figured it was just a typo but in the auction "notes" it even mentioned how heavy it was for her.

    After a few days, I ended up winning the auction with little effort or cost. It took a while to get here since it was an international purchase. When it did arrived I was glad I made the purchase.

    It is the correct weight as it was listed.

    I continue to have a soft spot for overweight coins & it's so hard to not make it a new side collection within ancients.

    This is the sellers photo, it's magnified & in hand, the pit on the reverse isn't severe to the naked eye. It's still a happy addition.

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    Salonina (254 - 268 A.D.)
    Billon Antoninianus
    O:CORN SALONINA AVG, diademed and draped bust right, crescent behind.
    R: CONCORDIA AVGG, emperor and empress standing confronted, clasping hands.
    Syrian mint, 258 - 260 A.D
    5.61g
    20mm
    Göbl MIR 1691p (Samosata), SRCV III 10630 (uncertain Syrian mint), RIC V-1 63 (Antioch), RSC IV 31

    Heavy for Type!
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    She isn't fat. She thicc :)
     
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  4. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Here is a Constantine II coin which has a thick flan and at 5.8g is about double the normal weight of circa 3 grams for this issue. It looks like it was struck on two flans.

    Constantine II
    A.D. 320
    19mm 5.8g
    D N CONSTANTINO IVN NOB C; laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    VICTORIAE LAET PRINC PERP; two Victories stg., facing one another, together holding wreath inscribed VOT PR on altar.
    in ex. P two captives L
    RIC VII Lyons 90

    Lyons_90.jpg

    edge.jpg
     
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Thick flan I guess. Nice score.

    Here's a large Gordie...

    Gordian III, A.D. 238-244

    AR Antoninianus, 24mm, 4.9 grams

    Rome mint, A.D. 241-243

    Obverse: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG; Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right

    Reverse: PM TRP III COS II PP; Apollo seated left, holding laurel branch and leaning on lyre

    Reference: RIC IV 114

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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That's a great coin, Victor. Lucky!

    That's nothing:D, my Gordy III is much bigger. Bought from @Victor_Clark actually.

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    Gordian III (238 - 244 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG; radiate draped bust right.
    R: SECVRIT PERP; Securitas standing left with scepter, leaning on column.
    Rome Mint
    25mm
    6.2g
    RIC IV Rome 151

    Very Heavy!
     
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  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Indeed!
     
  8. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    My Salonina is actually extremely skinny. So thin, in fact that it's a little bit bent.
    Salonina RIC 39.JPG
     
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  9. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I have a Gallienus that weighs 5.84 grams - unlike the fat OP, mine appears to have only the faintest acquaintance with silver, if that:

    Gallienus - Ant Securitas Heavy Apr 2018 (0).jpg

    Diameter is within the normal range for these, but it is unusually thick:

    Gallienus - Ant Securitas Heavy Apr 2018 (0x).jpg

    Gallienus Æ Antoninianus
    (c. 260-268 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    GALLIENVS AVG, radiate head right / SECVRIT ORBIS, Securitas, seated left, holding sceptre, right hand raised to head. Officina letter VI in exergue.
    RIC (S), Rome 278; Göbl 555g.
    (5.84 grams / 22 mm)
     
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    All I can say about these heavy examples is that they approximate the weight that an antoninianus should have had if it was ostensibly worth 2 denarii. Sadly, the mints usually struck them at about 1.5 the weight of a denarius.
     
  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    My only Gallienus is this ridiculously small and light ant.
    Diam: 19mm
    Weight: 1.95 grams

    How anybody could accept this at a nominal value of 2 denarii is beyond me.
    gallienus.JPG
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That be PHAT, @Mat !

    SALONINA

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    RI Empress Salonina wife of Gallienus 254-268 CE AE Antoninianus 3.61g 20mm Rome mint 267-268 CE crescent Deer / Stag Walking delta RIC 15
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see no reason that it was not struck on a stack of two flans with the force fusing the pair. I have a Valerian which I believe was struck together but separated after striking. There is a faint and soft outline of the portrait on the blank reverse. Finding the other half would be less likely than winning the lottery for a billion$.
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  14. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    A nice and unusually heavy example. My "eastern" antoniniani from the reign of Gallienus both weigh only about 4g.

    Rom – Gallienus, Antoninian, Virtus Augusti (Herkules).png
    Gallienus, Roman Empire, BI antoninianus, 260–268 AD, Asian mint (Samosata or Antioch?). Obv: GALLIENVS P F AVG; bust of Gallienus, cuirassed, radiate, r. Rev: VIRTVS AVGVSTI; Hercules, standing r,, holding club in right hand and lion-skin in left hand (type of the Farnese Hercules). 21.5mm, 4.01g. Ref: RIC V Gallienus 672.

    Rom – Salonina, Antoninian, Romae aeternae.png
    Salonina, Roman Empire, BI antoninianus, 255–256 AD, Asian mint (Samosata or Antioch?). Obv: SALONINA AVG; bust of Salonina, diademed, draped, on crescent, r. Rev: ROMAE AETERNAE; Gallienus, standing r., receiving Victory from Roma, seated l., holding spear in l. hand. 21mm, 3.83g. Ref: RIC V Salonina 67. Ex Auktionen & Münzhandel Dr. Christoph Stadler (Bremen); ex Münzbörse Stadtwaage (Bremen).
     
  15. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Yes she is...
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  17. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    These Saloninas from Antioch are > 4 g:

    4.41 g:
    Salonina ROMAE AETERNAE.jpg
    4.64 g:
    Salonina VINO REGINA Antioch.jpg
    4.24 g:
    Salonina SALVS Antioch Antoninianus.jpg
     
  19. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member


    The answer is "Fiat Money". We do exactly the same every day, most notably in countries were the currency unit is still named after weights. Hence, in the UK we accept tiny brass coins, which parade as "1 pound (of sterling silver)". The discrepancy is much bigger than with the lightweight Antoninian above.
     
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