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<p>[QUOTE="hotwheelsearl, post: 5266960, member: 75143"]Here's someone you don't see every day - Galeria Valeria, daughter of Diocletian!</p><p><br /></p><p>The wikipedia page on her is so short I may as well quote it in its entirety:</p><p><br /></p><p>"Born as Valeria to Diocletian and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisca_(empress)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisca_(empress)" rel="nofollow">Prisca</a>, she married Galerius in 293, when her father elevated him to the position of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)" rel="nofollow">Caesar</a>. This marriage was clearly organized to strengthen the bonds between the two emperors.</p><p><br /></p><p>Valeria was raised to the title of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_(honorific)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_(honorific)" rel="nofollow">Augusta</a> and <i>Mater Castrorum</i> in November 308. Since Galerius fathered no child with her, Valeria adopted her husband's illegitimate son, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Candidianus_(son_of_Galerius)&action=edit&redlink=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Candidianus_(son_of_Galerius)&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow">Candidianus</a>, as her own. In her honor, Galerius renamed the province of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia_Superior" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia_Superior" rel="nofollow">Upper Pannonia</a> <i>Valeria</i>, which he had improved by draining marshes and removing forests.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow">[1]</a></p><p><br /></p><p>When Galerius died, in 311, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licinius" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licinius" rel="nofollow">Licinius</a> was entrusted with the care of Valeria and her mother Prisca. The two women, however, fled from Licinius to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximinus_Daia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximinus_Daia" rel="nofollow">Maximinus Daia</a>, whose daughter was betrothed to Candidianus. After a short time, Valeria refused the marriage proposal of Maximinus, who arrested and confined her in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_(Roman_province)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_(Roman_province)" rel="nofollow">Syria</a> and confiscated her properties. At the death of Maximinus, Licinius ordered the death of both women. Valeria and Prisca fled, hiding for a year, until they were recognized by residents in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki" rel="nofollow">Thessaloniki</a>. She and her mother were captured by Licinius' soldiers, beheaded in the central square of the city, and their bodies thrown in the sea.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-2" rel="nofollow">[2]</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Valeria was sympathetic towards <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians" rel="nofollow">Christians</a>, while Galerius persecuted them. She was canonized as a Christian saint with her mother (see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Alexandra" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Alexandra" rel="nofollow">Saint Alexandra</a>)"</p><p>SOURCE - <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I got this medium-size follis of Galeria for a very low price. I had no clue who she was, but I figured I couldn't <i>not</i> get this coin for the $12 or whatever it cost.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1220122[/ATTACH]</p><p>GALERIA VALERIA AE Follis</p><p>Obv: GALVALERIAAVG. Diademed and draped bust right.</p><p>Rev: VENERI VICTRICI. Venus standing left holding apple and drapery</p><p>Diam: 25mm</p><p>Wt: 4.9g</p><p>Ref: RIC VI Siscia 211, G</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, the reverse type is rather interesting. This coin is the first time I've been introduced to the VENERI VICTRICI reverse type, with Venus holding apple and drapery.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is rather neat, as I am absolutely certain that this reverse represents a famous Greek bronze of Venus with apple.</p><p>Although the Greek original is, of course, long gone, we can see a Roman copy called the Venus of Arles, that is very similar to the pose and style of the statue this coin type represents.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1220131[/ATTACH]</p><p>Although the pose is slightly different between this extant statue and the coin reverse, I think we can be pretty certain that the coin represents the original, and the extant statue represents a Roman interpretation of that statuary type.</p><p><br /></p><p>We also have another version, called the Venus Genetrix that is closer in some ways but different in others.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1220133[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The Arles statue has the right apple-hand pose, but the other arm isn't right. The Genetrix version has the drapery hand correct, but the apple hand off.</p><p><br /></p><p>It appears the Romans interpreted the statue in two similar, but different ways.</p><p><br /></p><p>I always liked coins that have a known statuary type on the reverse. Its lots of fun to try to find surviving examples of that type and compare and contrast the coin vs the copy.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please see here for an excellent thread about Greek masterpieces on Roman coins, this time focusing on the Farnese Heracles:</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-greek-artistic-masterpiece-on-roman-coins.344521/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-greek-artistic-masterpiece-on-roman-coins.344521/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-greek-artistic-masterpiece-on-roman-coins.344521/</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="hotwheelsearl, post: 5266960, member: 75143"]Here's someone you don't see every day - Galeria Valeria, daughter of Diocletian! The wikipedia page on her is so short I may as well quote it in its entirety: "Born as Valeria to Diocletian and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisca_(empress)']Prisca[/URL], she married Galerius in 293, when her father elevated him to the position of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)']Caesar[/URL]. This marriage was clearly organized to strengthen the bonds between the two emperors. Valeria was raised to the title of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_(honorific)']Augusta[/URL] and [I]Mater Castrorum[/I] in November 308. Since Galerius fathered no child with her, Valeria adopted her husband's illegitimate son, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Candidianus_(son_of_Galerius)&action=edit&redlink=1']Candidianus[/URL], as her own. In her honor, Galerius renamed the province of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia_Superior']Upper Pannonia[/URL] [I]Valeria[/I], which he had improved by draining marshes and removing forests.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-1'][1][/URL] When Galerius died, in 311, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licinius']Licinius[/URL] was entrusted with the care of Valeria and her mother Prisca. The two women, however, fled from Licinius to [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximinus_Daia']Maximinus Daia[/URL], whose daughter was betrothed to Candidianus. After a short time, Valeria refused the marriage proposal of Maximinus, who arrested and confined her in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_(Roman_province)']Syria[/URL] and confiscated her properties. At the death of Maximinus, Licinius ordered the death of both women. Valeria and Prisca fled, hiding for a year, until they were recognized by residents in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki']Thessaloniki[/URL]. She and her mother were captured by Licinius' soldiers, beheaded in the central square of the city, and their bodies thrown in the sea.[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria#cite_note-2'][2][/URL] Valeria was sympathetic towards [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians']Christians[/URL], while Galerius persecuted them. She was canonized as a Christian saint with her mother (see [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Alexandra']Saint Alexandra[/URL])" SOURCE - [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeria_Valeria[/URL] I got this medium-size follis of Galeria for a very low price. I had no clue who she was, but I figured I couldn't [I]not[/I] get this coin for the $12 or whatever it cost. [ATTACH=full]1220122[/ATTACH] GALERIA VALERIA AE Follis Obv: GALVALERIAAVG. Diademed and draped bust right. Rev: VENERI VICTRICI. Venus standing left holding apple and drapery Diam: 25mm Wt: 4.9g Ref: RIC VI Siscia 211, G Now, the reverse type is rather interesting. This coin is the first time I've been introduced to the VENERI VICTRICI reverse type, with Venus holding apple and drapery. This is rather neat, as I am absolutely certain that this reverse represents a famous Greek bronze of Venus with apple. Although the Greek original is, of course, long gone, we can see a Roman copy called the Venus of Arles, that is very similar to the pose and style of the statue this coin type represents. [ATTACH=full]1220131[/ATTACH] Although the pose is slightly different between this extant statue and the coin reverse, I think we can be pretty certain that the coin represents the original, and the extant statue represents a Roman interpretation of that statuary type. We also have another version, called the Venus Genetrix that is closer in some ways but different in others. [ATTACH=full]1220133[/ATTACH] The Arles statue has the right apple-hand pose, but the other arm isn't right. The Genetrix version has the drapery hand correct, but the apple hand off. It appears the Romans interpreted the statue in two similar, but different ways. I always liked coins that have a known statuary type on the reverse. Its lots of fun to try to find surviving examples of that type and compare and contrast the coin vs the copy. Please see here for an excellent thread about Greek masterpieces on Roman coins, this time focusing on the Farnese Heracles: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-greek-artistic-masterpiece-on-roman-coins.344521/[/URL][/QUOTE]
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