Galba Denarius HISPANIA - unpublished, possibly unique specimen.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Eduard, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    This is a coin I posted here a couple of months ago, and did likewise in the german and french ancient coin forums. I was intrigued by the fact I was unable to find any on-line records of any coin exactly like it, and wanted to gather more opinions about the piece.
    I also showed the coin to 4 dealers/expert collectors for their opinions.

    The opinion of the people I showed it too was unanimous (authentic), as well as by and large also on the german forum. So, that was very encouraging.

    What surprised me the most was the response this coin elicited in the french ancient coin forum that I occasionally frequent. A very interesting discussion. I am posting a link to this discussion here in case anybody is interested.

    In the opinion of an acknowledged expert in the coinage of Galba, this coin is authentic, unpublished and (quite likely) unique. I am saying 'quite likely' in an attempt to be conservative. It combines an as yet unrecorded obverse for Galba as IMPERATOR with a very rare reverse, which is known on only two other examples.

    I don't know how significant it is, but it goes to show sometimes when acquiring coins, you have to go by your instinct and impulse. I was certainly not the first to see this coin, but the minute I saw it, something told me 'buy it'.

    http://www.forumfw.com/t19430-denier-de-galba-frappe-en-hispania-en-apparence-inedit

    Galba denarius HISPANIA - OBV1 - 1-ccfopt-2.jpg Galba denarius HISPANIA - Rev - 1-ccfopt-2.jpg
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice find and congrats.

    I like the toning it has, don't ever clean it further!

    I think many of us would gladly take a coin like that, especially a short-term emperor like him.
     
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow @Eduard ! Congrats on the unique and great coin. Well done on this Imperator find, and it is gorgeous. I like the reverse with Hispania with spears...

    I have a Galba Quinarius
    RI GALBA AR Quinarius Lugdunum mint laureate r Victory globe stdng left 15mm 1.5g RIC 131 scarce.JPG RI GALBA AR Quinarius Lugdunum mint laureate r Victory globe stdng left 15mm 1.5g RIC 131 scarce

    I was perusing ACSearch, and there seem to be some other unique ones. Here is one that was unique, similar to yours, but different:
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  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I'm definitely leaning towards 'highly significant' and I absolutely love it as is, let alone for the apparent uniqueness of it as stated. congrats on such a super cool find!!:)
     
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  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A very significant coin imho. thanks for the link to the French discussion board, I found the discussion very interesting. I am glad to know that CT is not the only board where people scream "fake" without having the necessary background knowledge to form such an opinion.

    I am very interested in the scarce "Hispania" coinage of Galba. I only have one, but I would love to have more in my collection.

    Mine is RIC 193 and is very scarce indeed.

    galba ric 193.jpg
     
  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @Eduard

    I think you should send a photo and description of this coin to Dane at Wildwinds.com It would be good to have a listed online reference to this coin for study purposes.
     
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  8. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Great instincts led to a great find, congrats!! I find the obverse legend to be the most intriguing feature of the coin. It must have been issued very early, before he adopted any other titles.
     
  9. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I hate to be the first on CT to voice concerns, but here it goes. My first overall impression of the coin is that it is false. I read the discussion linked to (and it goes three pages unless anyone missed that). That discussion is very good and most points have already been made on both sides of the argument so I wont go back over them. The bottom line is that the coin just doesn't look right. The portrait is just not a known style I am aware of, but I suppose it could be a new die. I would send it to David Sear, Barry Murphy, or any other well respected individuals. Internet comments will not solve your question.
     
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  10. PMONNEY

    PMONNEY Flaminivs

    Very nice coin indeed. As I specialize on portraits on coins, I find this portrait of Galba unusual, but this doesnot detract from the fact that the coin is genuine.
     
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  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Yes, the portrait is unusual, but I have seen legitimate Galba denarii with unusual portraits before. For example take a look at mine below.

    Galba ric 236.jpeg
     
  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Wow, Eduard, what a remarkable find! I haven’t got a valuable opinion one way or the other regarding the authenticity of the piece, but if it were mine, it’s the sort of coin I’d send to David Sear for his expert in-hand assessment and get a COA for.
     
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  14. Agricantus

    Agricantus Allium aflatunense

    Interesting coin and discussion. Found a couple of “Epis de maïs” in the thread. => blé, pas maïs. Like on Orfew’s coin. Corn was introduced to Europe a few years after Galba
     
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  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    It looks like I may need to change the title of this thread.

    I last posted this denarius of Galba back in December 2017. At that stage, based on lengthy discussions on various forums, including the opinion a noted author on the coinage of Galba, the conclusion was this coin was very possibly authentic and unique. No other known example combined this obverse and reverse legends for the Galba HISPANIA type.

    Well, no coin is unique for long it seems....another, (extremely) similar example was auctioned late last year (2018) at a DNW auction. It combines the same obverse and reverse as my coin, and as such it appears to be a 2nd. known example of this type. As far as I can determine, both obverse and reverse dies are the same, or at least very very similar. The legend combination on obverse and reverse is the same.

    This is both 'good news and bad news' I say with same humour: 'bad' (in a way) because it seems my specimen is no longer 'unique', but very good, because it confirms the existence of a second and very worn example which was very probably a ground find.

    Does the appearance of a second example confirm that both are genuine and not counterfeits? well, that is another discussion, but at the moment I am thinking this new example confirms this variety as a genuine product of a Spanish mint.

    Here are pictures of both examples.

    Description from the Auction:

    Roman Imperial Coinage, Galba, Denarius, Tarraco (?) 68, laureate bust right, globe below, rev. Hispania draped, standing left, right hand holding corn-ears and poppy, left round shield and two vertical spears (cf. RIC 19 var.; cf. RSC 79). Fair, chipped and repaired, rare est. £60-80.



    Galba Denarius HISPANIA DNW 09-2018. ls130. RIC19 var. RSC79. Fair chipped repaired,rare.jpg Galba denarius HISPANIA - OBV2 - 1.jpg Galba denarius HISPANIA - Rev - 1.jpg
     
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