FYI for Ebay sellers....

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by lowle harrison, Mar 28, 2020.

  1. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Not really. The warnings were about over prescribing antibiotics because anyone with the sniffles demanded them. To an extent it was based off of models of what could happen, they were over prescribed for a long time for sure but any extra sicknesses has much more to do with globalization and noticing it more/reporting it more not because people clean their house

    The flu was around just as much back then, consider yourself lucky to have avoided it that long.
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    At some point mental health. Point was that treating one thing like an albatross and others normally makes no difference.
     
  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If you wash with soap too frequently, it's bad for your skin. But if a sick person spits up on you, you need to wash with soap; your skin's condition isn't as important as getting rid of contagion.

    That's where we are right now, except that it's not spitting up but simple coughs, sneezes, or physical contact with surfaces -- and you can't tell who's sick, and you can't tell what they've touched. And if you catch it, there's a significant chance it can kill you.

    Let's get past this crisis, and then we can go back to worrying about the hygiene hypothesis.
     
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  5. tommyc03

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  6. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Surfaces have yet to be proven as a viable likely source. There's obviously a chance and it almost certainly has happened, but changes of transmission vary greatly by the exposure type. At this point where we have real data from the US and Europe surfaces have presented as a minimal risk especially if someone washes their hands before touching their face
     
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  7. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Supporter! Supporter

    Well, I cant really disagree. Many people, including friends and family, have borderline lost it during this. Whether it’s media driven, social media driven, politically driven... doesn’t matter. For me and my family, it’s just trying to do some common sense things that we should probably be doing anyway. I see no downside to it.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    Well the fact is 17 days after an out break on a cruise ship that the virus was still found. And that is a fact....
    Another fact the most brilant scientist minds around the world are afraid....and realize this isn't anything to play with.
    If you'r not concerned so be it......no worries here....but I'm 66 and plan to see 67......and more.
     
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  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    For sure, common sense and good hygiene are the way to go. There's just so many other things from everyday that can and do the same thing that we need common sense on both ends and not all end up bubble boys bleaching everything before we touch it.

    The hysteria can and has been just as dangerous to many. There's even cases of suicide from people not wanting to spread it. We have to deal with these things in a rational smart manner and the fear hyping on things of minimal to no risk isn't helping people
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    And it's a fact that many on the ship never got it. There's a difference between saying to be smart about something and fear mongering
     
  11. MeowtheKitty

    MeowtheKitty Well-Known Member

    Meow sprayed the last package Meow got with a hydrogen peroxide solution. As the last time Meow went to the store they where out of rubbing alcohol, so Meow had to get that instead. There was a sign that said that hydrogen peroxide was just as good as alcohol at the store so Meow bought some. And washes paws thoroughly after coming home and removing the nitrile kitten mittens. It is a bit hard to remember not to touch unnecessary surfaces. Like counter tops and handrails. Meow finds it a very distressing way to live. Hopefully we wont have to do this forever.
     
  12. Sunflower_Coins

    Sunflower_Coins Importer and Exporter

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...onavirus-lasts-on-surfaces-packages-groceries

    This Guardian article discusses the the ship that tested for COVID-19, and references a study on the stability of a virus on various surfaces: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home

    On cardboard, the virus it can last 24 hours. On plastics and steel, it lasts up to 72 hours. If it takes 3+ days to ship and deliver a package, any strand within it should no longer be viable. That said, it can be potentially handled by someone who has the virus, so disinfecting the packaging would be a must.
     
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  13. JickyD

    JickyD Active Member

    It dies after 3 days on a surface. I have no concerns getting coins through the mail.
     
  14. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Key note is viral RNA and detection is much different than being infectious or likely infectious.

    Also a key point for people to understand that are not familiar with viruses
    "Dr Akiko Iwasaki: It just means that there are parts of the virus that still remain. The virus needs many other components to be intact. If you have bits and pieces of RNA, that’s not going to make a virus, you need an entire intact genome. Just because you had a little piece of RNA doesn’t mean that there’s an infection."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...onavirus-lasts-on-surfaces-packages-groceries

    Then if you read further the stable times were controlled laboratory settings and as they put it "rapidly" decreased with time.

    Good common sense article overall as you can never say never to a virus doing something to someone somewhere, but dispels a lot of the hysteria (specially some that is being presented by some here) as well
     
  15. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I live in a natural environment where the elements are very conducive to harming humans, and I microwave virtually everything, especially food. You may already know, but if you put your coins in a transparent glass casserole dish, virtually filled with water, on defrost, watching for extreme water agitation, you will generally view bacteria, etc. destruction. A single layer, and visual attention is VERY important.

    I have UV/HEPA cleaners everywhere, and with the exception of poison-ivy, buckthorn, etc., I have virtually no health problems. I can't remember when I even last had a "cold". Others who come here often have health problems from the natural environment.

    JMHO
     
  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I would be very cautious about this. Coins are a lot more conductive than water, and if you've got coins touching or nearly touching one another, I'd expect you could get arc formation. That will be very bad for coins.

    Wouldn't you get the same effect by simply (and carefully!) pouring already-boiling water onto the coins?
     
  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Or if you want to be paranoid not ruin the coins and just let them sit in a shed for a few days
     
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  18. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Watch and share this video with friends and family - the doctor makes good sense, and the advice applies to anything you bring into your home - be safe ;)

     
  19. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Active Member

    Appreciate the promising words of encouragement. Good luck to the entire world and may God bless America!
     
  20. Claudius 11

    Claudius 11 Active Member

    Surely postal services wear gloves and if it is a real concern to you as an individual you also should wear gloves when handling a package until this is all over
     
  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Problem is, wearing gloves doesn't prevent either you or them from touching your face without thinking. :(
     
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