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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;DonnaML, post: 5184770, member: 110350&quot;]You should be aware that not only has the counterfactual &quot;no excess deaths&quot; claim been repeatedly debunked, but the story on which it&#039;s based -- in a student newspaper, no less! -- was retracted.&nbsp; See <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-covid-19-had-no-impact-overall-us-deaths-this-year-1552506;" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-covid-19-had-no-impact-overall-us-deaths-this-year-1552506;" rel="nofollow">https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-covid-19-had-no-impact-overall-us-deaths-this-year-1552506;</a> <a href="https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false-claim-of-no-excess-deaths-in-2020/;" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false-claim-of-no-excess-deaths-in-2020/;" rel="nofollow">https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-analysis-leads-to-false-claim-of-no-excess-deaths-in-2020/;</a> <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>And, of course, herd immunity has never been achieved absent a vaccine, with the single possible exception of the 1918 flu.&nbsp; Sweden recently admitted that its own herd immunity strategy was a complete failure, at the price of a number of deaths that&#039;s a multiple of those of its Scandinavian neighbors. All to achieve, at most, 30% exposure, less than half of what&#039;s necessary. How many more deaths would be necessary? Or perhaps it doesn&#039;t matter because it&#039;s &quot;only old people&quot;? Sorry, grandma! I&#039;m going to the coin show and having FUN!</p><p><br /></p><p>By the same token, the claim that it&#039;s impossible to stop the virus or even flatten the curve -- so I suppose we might as well do nothing -- is completely belied by the countries that have been remarkably successful in doing just that.</p><p><br /></p><p>And don&#039;t forget the claim of minimal mortality, repeated with self-satisfied smugness but impossible to reconcile with facts on the ground, consisting of the deaths already occurred as a percentage of the highest possible estimates of the numbers infected.</p><p><br /></p><p>Putting numismatics back at the center where it belongs, how can I trust what anyone says about coins when they&#039;re willing to peddle such blatant misinformation -- not even half-truths? (Entirely leaving aside the callousness it represents.)&nbsp; I can&#039;t.&nbsp; That&#039;s why we have an ignore button, which I will now employ. Bye![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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