Frosty toned mirrors Morgan $

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  1. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    What does she grade? Fresh new pickup from a show in cincy driving home now so thought id snap a few before the 1-1/2 hour trip home...
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I hope you had both hands on the wheel when you snapped that pic. :)

    Sweet coin.
     
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  4. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Notice i said BEFORE, kids, don't coin talk and drive!:astronaut::beaver:
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    63, semi PL
     
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  6. Savy

    Savy Well-Known Member

    Nice coin. Hard to tell if it's PL or Semi PL with the pics. I'll go with 64.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Altered surfaces.
     
    GDJMSP, Mar 29, 2015
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  8. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    MS-64 Semi Prooflike. I love the toning on that coin!

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  9. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    Where?
     
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  10. Coin-Dude

    Coin-Dude Active Member

    I hope he is not checking his phone while driving.
    You drop a bomb like that and he might have a wreck!
    His pictures are taken thru the plastic and its hard to get super images.
    What is it that causes you to suspect this coins surface is altered?
    Educate us please.
     
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  11. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    It looks fine to me, I do not see anything that screams, "Altered Surfaces"
     
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  12. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Please elaborate dear kind sir! It WAS hard to refrain from replying to this whilst driving!
     
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  13. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    ms62 no pl
     
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  14. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    MS 62.....
     
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  15. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Can't tell from the photos. Eagles chest seems to have some rub, as well as the top of Miss Liberties hair. I wish I could see the obverse in focus.

    AU or MS62.
     
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  16. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Another
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  17. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Several places, but most noticeable on rev. Look at the pic and the areas I have circled.

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    The area of the fields I have circled in red are not toned, but more importantly they are undisturbed, unaltered as well. The area of the fields I have circled in green are toned, but undisturbed, unaltered. And any other area of the coin's fields should look like one or the other of those.

    Now look at the area of the fields I have circled in yellow on the right. See the horizontal lines running through that area ? And if you look at the top, the area of the fields I have circled in blue, it's pretty easy to see a vertical orientation to what I can only describe as scrape marks. And that area of the coin's fields (surfaces) are distinctly different from any other area of the field, including those that are toned and not toned. Look immediately below that area, look at the red, the green, even the yellow, and compare them.

    I can draw no other conclusion but that the surfaces of this coin have been altered.
     
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  19. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I guess my rebuttal would be #1 that the photo was done in direct sunlight on my car trunk. From my experience mirrored surface OR proof coins come with splotchy toning such as this, depending series and storage. Think brown box ikes.This particular coin is actually a late die state that has been agressively worked over by a mint employee. Its probably the worst early S mint ive seen, Its pitted and the letters are mushy, not even close to sharp 90° angles that are usually. seen. There is die polish/adjustment over 90% of the coin w heavy striations in the fields and polishing lines thru the hair cheek, ear, eye, eagles wings, breast, feathers, void behind neck, wreath,and denticles. In my experience w these types of coins. The key is to find lines that run THRU or UNDERNEATH the letters and continue out the other side. This coin has picked up quite a few bag marks/rub along its journey. I believe that is what you were seeing in the photo:areas with rub, but from other coins, not from a coin doctor. And my images made it an optical contusion. Heres another: CAM02131.jpg
     

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  20. coinman1234

    coinman1234 Not a Well-Known Member

    That looks to be prooflike based on that photo.
     
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  21. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Its amazing how much different a coin looks
    in different lighting
     
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