Featured From the Stoeklin and Naegeli Collections

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  1. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    I enjoy knowing something about the people who collected the coins from my collection before me. It’s fun to share a connection with someone from far away or long ago based on a common interest. This coin is fun because I can trace it to two past collectors who shared my enthusiasm for ancient coins.

    Roman Empire
    Maximinus II Daia As Caesar
    Æ Follis, Alexandria mint, 5th officina. Struck late AD 308-309.
    Wt.: 7.12g
    Obv.: Laureate head right
    Rev.: Genius standing left, holding patera from which liquor flows, and cornucopia; K-E/P//ALE.
    Ref.: RIC VI 100a.

    Ex Dr. Louis Naegeli Collection, Ex W. F. Stoeklin Collection. Obolos 9, March 25, 2018, Lot 437.

    Tag from the W. F. Stoeklin Collection.

    Dr. Louis Naegeli (1858-1951)
    Dr. Naegeli was an Ophthalmologist who lived in Switzerland in the late 19th and early 20th century. In February of 1914 he co-founded (with 5 other members) the Free Association of Zurich Numismatists. The organization is still going strong to this day. He was also friends with Dr Walter Stoeklin and seems to have sold him many coins from his collection before his death in 1951.

    A painting of Dr. Naegeli in 1901. His profession augenarzt (opthomatrist) is written on the paper he is holding.

    If you look closely at the paper Dr. Naegeli is holding in the painting you can see that he lived in Rapperswil (16 miles southeast of Zurich) at the time. So sometime between 1901 and when he founded a numismatic society in 1914 he moved to live on Naegelistrasse in Zurich which was presumable named after him.

    Since the above tag indicates that Dr. Naegeli lived in Zurich when Stoeklin purchased it we know the coin entered the Stoeklin Collection between 1901 and 1951 (when Dr. Naegeli died).

    Walter F. Stoeklin (1888-1975)

    I know many of us have coins from this excellent collection that goes well back into the 19th century. Most of the collection was offered up at auction back in 2018 and if you haven’t already I highly recommend you read some of the write ups done at the time on the collection.


    A Further Provenance?
    Does anybody know of a collection known as the Ares Collection (Ares Sammlung)? It is written on the back of the tag above Dr. Naegeli’s name but I could find no evidence that Naegeli called his collection by this name.
    Edit to add: Ares mystery solved. See Valentinian’s response below.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2020
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  3. Valentinian

    Valentinian Supporter! Supporter

    I think it says "aus sammlung" i.e. "from the collection of."
  4. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    That makes much more sense. Thanks @Valentinian !
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  5. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    Also how terribly rude of me...

    Please post your

    • Max Daia’s!
    • Genius standing nakedly
    • Coins from the Stoeklin Collection
    • Coins from the Naegeli Collection
    • Anything even remotely relevant you wanna post
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  6. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    It just makes the history of a 1700 year old coin even more interesting when the "recent" last couple of centuries of the coins owners are analysed on a personal level. Great thread Curtis.
  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    I don't have an ex Stoecklin or Naegeli Collection coin, but I do have a coin from a contemporary collection, as well as a picture of a painting of the collector (Samuel-Jean Pozzi) that I can share. Not to take anything away from Dr Naegeli's stately portrait, but a comparison of the two paintings suggests that a Swiss ophthalmologist of the time was abit of a square compared to a French gynecologist. :troll:

    LUCANIA Metapontion - AR Didrachm ex Pozzi new 3638.jpg
    LUCANIA, Metapontion
    AR Didrachm. 7.72g, 20.5mm. LUCANIA, Metapontion, circa 340-330 BC. HN Italy 1576; Johnston Class B, 3.16; Pozzi (Boutin) 499 (this coin). O: ΛEYKIΠΠOΣ, Bearded head of Leukippos to right, wearing Corinthian helmet; behind, dog seated to left; below neck, Σ. R: META, Barley ear with leaf to right; above leaf, dove alighting right; below leaf, AMI.
    Ex Prof. Samuel-Jean Pozzi Collection (Boutin), 499

    Dr. Pozzi at Home (1881), by John Singer Sargent.

    I'm just kidding, of course! It's a great coin with a wonderful pedigree. I'm just jealous I still don't have any ex Stoecklin coins. You've been away too much, Curtis. Nice having you drop by. :)

    By the way, I know you have an ex Zumbly Collection coin (and also a marvelous tag to go with it... if you ever got around to printing it for yourself :shame:). Here's a portrait of the collector for you, in full Grand Vizier of Agrabah regalia.

  8. Shea19

    Shea19 Supporter! Supporter

    Great coin, and nice to see you back here. I also have one from the Stoecklin collection...I got mine from the same Nomos sale a couple years ago.



    Hunnic Tribes, Hephthalites. 470-565 AD, AR Drachm (25 mm, 3.37 g), "Napki Malka" coinage. Royal male bust right wearing winged head-dress surmounted by bull's head./ Rev. Fire altar with attendants.
    From the collection of W. F. Stoecklin
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  9. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    So jealous of that beauty and it's pedigree @Curtisimo the great(est);)
    Mine, though not as easy on the eyes, is fun for its imperfections and is of the man as Augustus:
    MAXIMINUS II DAIA (310-313). Follis. Thessalonica.
    Laureate head right.
    Jupiter standing left, holding globe and sceptre; to left, wreath.
    RIC 50a.
    3.69 g.Diameter: 25 mm
  10. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander Blame my mother. Supporter

    Geez, I almost missed a @Curtisimo post! :nailbiting: Nice coin with a very satisfying pedigree, Curtis. My Maximinus from Alexandria is as Augustus, ex Dattari, head-on-a-platter style:

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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Gorgeous coin, @Curtisimo! Walter Stoecklin, of course, had a good eye for quality.

    This coin came from the collection of Dr. Walter Stoecklin, too:


    Here is the collection tag:


    It reads:

    Rom Kaiserzeit
    Annia Galeria Faustina Mater
    Gemahlin d. Antoninus Pius
    geb 105, gest. 141
    AR denar
    Av. Buste r.
    Rv. stehende Vesta
    mit simpulum + Palladium

    Which is translated:

    Roman imperial period
    Annia Galeria Faustina, mother
    wife of Antoninus Pius
    Born 105, died 141
    AR denarius
    Obv: Bust right
    Rev: Vesta standing
    with simpulum and Palladium

    Note no references to catalog number, not even to Cohen. If you're interested, here are some: RIC 368; BMCRE 435-438; Cohen 108; RCV 4587; CRE 153.
  12. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    Nice, My two Stoecklin Collection coins..

    Marcus Herennius Denarius Struck 108-107 BC -
    Also from the Ernst Justus Haeberlin Collection ( Cahn-Hess July 17, 1933 )
    fff4.jpg Alexander Balas Tetradrachm
    also from the collection of Baron Alexander von Petrowicz collection ( Naville X, 1925 )
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  13. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Great write up, thanks Curtisimo

    P1180760 maximinus daia II.jpg P1180760 maximinus daia II tyche rivergod (2).jpg
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  14. IanG

    IanG Active Member

    I don't have a coin from the Stoecklin or Naegeli collections but I do have a number that were formerly part of the collection of another great numismatist, Elvira Clain-Stefanelli. I know that I will be far from alone in this respect because so many coins formerly belonging to her have been sold over the last few years by Naville Numismatics and others.

    Many people will know that together with her husband, Vladimir Clain-Stefanelli, she built up the American National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian Institution from approximately 60,000 pieces in 1956 to over 960,000 pieces in 1982. She was a fine scholar who wrote a number of books on coinage. What fewer people will know about is her extraordinary life before she went to the United States.

    Born in Bucharest, Romania, at the beginning of World War I, she and her family were forced to flee their village to avoid invading troops. At the end of the war, she returned home to the disputed territory between Austria and Romania. She would later earn a master's degree in history from the University of Cernauti in Romania.

    In 1939 she married Vladimir Clain-Stefanelli, a postgraduate student in Rome, who specialized in ancient coins. The couple was researching coins in Germany in 1942 when Vladimir was arrested by the Gestapo because his passport had been stolen and "used by an enemy of the state." He was sent to the Buchenwald concentration camp where he remained "a guest" until the end of World War II. Although pregnant, Elvira chose to join her husband in the camp. She later was released so their child would not be born in prison; however, after experiencing the bombings in Berlin, she returned to the camp to be with her husband. She didn't realize Buchenwald, also the site of a V-2 rocket factory, was a target for Allied bombings!

    Somehow they survived Buchenwald and the war. The family arrived in the United States in 1951 and the couple worked in New York for several years for Hesperia Art, then later for Stack's Rare Coins. In 1956 Vladimir became curator of the Smithsonian's Division of Numismatics; a year later, Elvira became his assistant. Two years after Vladimir's death in 1982, she became the department's first executive director.

    It's a privilege to own coins formerly belonging to this remarkable lady and here are a couple of them.

    Celtic, imitating Alexander III or Philip III of Macedon.
    Uncertain tribe. Lower Danube. Drachm 2nd century BC.

    Clain-Stefanelli 2.png

    Bruttium, Rhegion. Onkia, circa 450-425 BC.

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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I am not usually one to pay extra for a provenance to just any collector but Pozzi was quite the character. His bio on Wikipedia barely mentions his collecting activity ("He also collected coins and statuettes.") but covers the flashy nature that led to his names 'The Siren' and 'The Love Doctor'. This makes the painting seem quite appropriate. Do not miss the section on how he died.
  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    It certainly says something when an article about him is titled Fifty Shades of Dr. Pozzi, and the writer wonders aloud, "why doesn’t my gynecologist look like that?" :D Of course, the good doctor had fine taste in both coins and women. With most of the coins from his collection beyond my means, I'm happy to have that one.
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  17. Orielensis

    Orielensis Supporter! Supporter

    Congratulations on this fine acquisition, @Curtisimo . For me, the provenance really adds a lot of interest to it.

    My Maximinus Daia, also from Alexandria, has no prestigious previous owners I know of. I like it nonetheless:

    Rom – Maximinus Daia, AE1, Genius.png
    Maximinus II Daia, Roman Empire, AE2, 308–310 AD, Alexandria mint. Obv: GAL VAL MAXIMINVS NOB CAES; head of Maximinus Daia, laureate, r. Rev: GENIO CAESARIS; Genius with patera and cornucopia standing l.; in fields, K-B/P; in exergue, ALE. 23mm, 5.49g. Ref: RIC VI Alexandria 100a.
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  18. eparch

    eparch Well-Known Member

    I have a sub collection of the coins of the Brettii and acquired this one
    to fill a gap
    Bruttium, The Brettii (214-203 BC), Æ Half-Unit (Triobol), 18mm.
    Its a humble coin , but comes from the 1895 sale of part of the collection of Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie.

    Petrie is one of the most important and influential figures in the history of Egyptology. He was an archaeologist whose sixty years in field produced an enormous amount of archaeological evidence for all periods of Egyptian history from prehistoric through to medieval times. The thousand or so publications he produced are testament to his tireless endeavours to recover information before it was destroyed by modern developments in cultivation and urbanisation. Such output was perhaps too prolific for the long-term, detailed and meticulous excavations that characterise archaeology today, but nevertheless Petrie's many achievements had a profound influence upon the disciplines of Egyptology and archaeology. He advanced chronological methods through his invention of sequence dating for the Predynastic period, and in 1891 he established synchronisms with Greek pottery. Petrie was emphatic that everything excavated was to be noted, even seemingly small innocuous items and this was perhaps one of his most important contributions

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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    To what degree did this extend to coins? At one point it would be considered sufficient to note a pile of old coins was seen but many of us want a die study. In the case of a large pot, it is expected to note where in the pot a coin was located possibly shedding evidence on how the coins were added to the group. The term 'seemingly small innocuous' can have many levels. Compared to piles of gold trinkets, coins are low on the list of priorities.
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  20. bruthajoe

    bruthajoe Still Recovering Supporter

    Forgive me in advance for what I am about to say. I am not completely unfamiliar with the relationship with ancients due to history vs appeal. I am a bit more familiar with the observation of the conservation of a coin in general. I am wondering about what I see on this coin. What I am lookin at specifically are the areas that have been worn down to expose the unoxidized areas of the coin and would like to know if this is acceptable on an ancient.
  21. Broucheion

    Broucheion Supporter! Supporter

    Except yourself, of course.
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