French Gold Restrikes

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Coin Pedant, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. Coin Pedant

    Coin Pedant Member

    I wanted to confirm a query regarding French 20 and 10 franc pieces. I have heard that gold franc pieces with a rooster dated between 1899 and 1914 could be restrikes between 1907 and 1914. Is this the case with any other French coins? Were Napoleon I and Napoleon III gold coins ever re-struck?
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    (Above, 20 Franc coin minted 1900, but probably a restrike from 1907-14)

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    (Above, 20 franc coin from Napoleon I's reign, were these ever re-struck?)
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    1907-1914 Roosters have been restruck as I understand it. The big difference is the edge lettering.
    The originals have the edge words "Dieu Protege la France" (God Save France), while the restrikes have "Liberte Egalite Fraternite" (Liberty Equality Fraternity).
     
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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    To the best of my knowledge - no.
     
  5. Coin Pedant

    Coin Pedant Member

    Is that only 20th century roosters?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    All the rooster restrikes were minted in the 20th century, 1907-1914. There are no others.
     
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  7. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    That's not correct, to my knowledge. All the 1907-1914 strikes, whether original or restrike in 1921 or 1951-1960 have the "Liberte Egalite Fraternite" edge. The only distinguishing factors for the restrikes is that they had more copper in them, and are thus more red in color, and were usually a better quality strike than the originals.
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    This. Sorry, I should've made it more clear in my previous post.
     
  9. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    The French catalogs call the 1907-1914 ones the original, and state that there were restrikes of them made in 1921 and from 1951-1960.
     
  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    But the restrikes will have the dates between 1907-1914. That is the main point here.
     
  11. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    I possibly mis-understood the OP's question then.
     
  12. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I think it was a 2 parter.
    1) Were there restrikes of earlier 10 and 20 Francs (Napoleon)
    2) I guess asking clarification about restrikes being possible between 1907-1914. Though not sure why he said between 1899-1914. Eh, NBD.
     
  13. Coin Pedant

    Coin Pedant Member

    furryfrog02 is correct in it being a 2 parter. The presence of 20 franc restrikes in the 20th century got me wondering about its prevalence in French coinage, and therefore wanted to know if later restrikes of the Napoleons had been produced.
    Sorry if I wasn't too clear. :confused:
     
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  14. Coin Pedant

    Coin Pedant Member

    I asked about 1899-1914 because that's when rooster 20 franc coins were first circulated. But I've learnt a bit more about the 20 franc coin in this thread so thanks for your replies
     
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  15. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    They are beautiful coins. I have a few myself. Both original and restrikes.

    1876A France 20 Francs.jpg
    (I know...not technically a "rooster" but it does have one on the obverse :p)
    1905 France 20 Francs.jpg 1907 France 20 Francs.jpg 1912 France 20 Francs.jpg
     
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  16. Coin Pedant

    Coin Pedant Member

    They are beautiful especially the first one, but I've always preferred Napoleons:shame:
     
  17. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I have yet to add one to my stack. I do plan on it one day though :)
     
  18. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    The France Marianne-Rooster coin appeared on a French World War One poster:

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    French World War One poster with coin

    The poster shows a French gold coin attacking a German soldier.
    It was designed by Abel Faivre in 1915 and reads:
    "Pour la France VERSEZ VOTRE OR" (For France, donate your gold)
    "L'Or Combat Pour La Victoire" (The gold fights for Victory)

    And I have one too:

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    France 20 francs 1912 Marianne-Rooster

    A work of art becomes part of another work of art.

    :)
     
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  19. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That is a great poster!
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Better post one for ya then :)

    1869-BB 20 franc obv.jpg 1869-BB 20 franc rev.jpg

    Or is your preference limited to the Napoleon found on your avatar ?
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The "rooster" figured prominently on French coinage for quite some time. And not only on the final designs chosen for coin usage, but on the essais as well, like this one -

    1848 5 franc essai obv.jpg 1848 5 franc essai rev.jpg



    And as you pointed out, on the Angels as well. I find the Angels of interest because they were minted both before Napoleon III, and after. I was lucky enough to own two '48s and a '49 -

    1848-A # 2 20 francs obv.JPG 1848-A # 2 20 francs rev.JPG
    1848-A 20 francs obv.JPG 1848-A 20 francs rev.JPG
    1849 20 franc obv.jpg 1849 20 franc rev.jpg


    - as well as several of the later dates. But those two are the hard ones to come by :)
     
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