Fraud Case

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Owle, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    It's probably too late for the "offer". The guy was careful not to make it in writing. He made it as the court date approached. He didn't show in court. The lawyer gets 20%.

    I'll probably have a collection agency pursue him. I'm sure he will enjoy the phone calls and the letters. If anyone knows of a collection agency that really gets results, let me know.
     
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  3. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    I thought the coin would be a losing proposition if I didn't return it. Truth is, I should have held on to it.
     
  4. pennypal

    pennypal Junior Member

    That's very sad, that he would act in this manner. But I would like to ask you why you bypassed using your bank debit/credit card. Credit card people would help you get your money back; but using cash, you sort of have to go it alone.

    But, (there's always a but), you can do two things. (1). you can go to the courthouse and file a civil lien (claim), (in the city where he resides) on him/his property/his car/his boat/his coin collection, etc. (2). you can file a law suit on him in the Small Claims court as long as it's under $5-$10 thousand dollars you're trying to recover, and 3rd, you can pray for him and forget about the whole thing.

    Regards,

    Patricia
     
  5. JJK78

    JJK78 Member

    This really sucks. OP is referring to you as the "original poster" by the way.

    I've had a bad day so don't mind me... some folks have hinted at it but for $3500 it sounds like an ass whipping is in order! Well at least that is what I would want to do although I have to say I was "Just kidding" ;) That is what I would want to do!

    Best of luck getting this crappy situation resolved...
     
  6. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    Fraud Cases

    What can be learned by this case is that it is unwise to do business with those who are not members of ANA, or who can provide dealer references. It is best to do business at the coin show or coin shop where the contract terms are clear and enforceable.

    If there is a fraud situation developing, do whatever you need to do to nip it in the bud. A demand letter from an attorney may work, a physical visit to the person's apartment with or without the local police as witness. Make the crook uncomfortable with being a crook. I don't think any of us want to see this nation descend into a breakdown of law and order where people start breaking the law to punish criminals.
     
  7. schwalbe

    schwalbe Junior Member

    SSI is a scam. he shouldn't get it anyways. shows what the govt is doing. people who work hard get screwed, people who are lazy get it all.
     
  8. Owle

    Owle Junior Member

    SSI and Fraud

    My lawyer said that if someone has direct deposit of SSI into his/her account that they are essentially judgment-proof.

    I asked him, at what point does the law no longer shield such people from fraud? $10,000, $50,000, $500,000? What is to prevent someone from adopting this ruse to defraud and then when sued pull out your get out of liability card?

    I can understand why people end up on SSI. Crazy people; people who are disabled and were honest in their claims; soldiers injured in combat; etc.. I never heard this guy's story. I'm not interested frankly. He broke a contract he spelled out the explicit terms and signed it. The only thing we have in life sometimes is our word.
     
  9. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    There is a lot to be said for "knowing whom it is in which you deal with".

    RickieB
     
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