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<p>[QUOTE="WillGK, post: 8150483, member: 115517"]I didn’t intend this to be a guess the grade. I wanted to see if people are as confused as I am. The fact that opinions have split right down the middle between #1 and #2 confirms it. So I’m going to skip high res pics of reverses for now, because posting photos is something that I’m not good at - gives me heartburn.</p><p><br /></p><p>I actually thought that #2 was a nicer coin, albeit with a bit less luster. And I’ve got a couple of other 59Ps that are similar, one in particular looks better to me than either #1 or #2, and a fourth is close.</p><p><br /></p><p>I submitted these coins when I knew little about how professional graders see coins. I thought that the coins were at least MS65FBL and hopefully one or more might come back MS66FBL. A 65 vs a 66 grade is important in a 59P FBL, up to an order of magnitude difference in price - huge. </p><p><br /></p><p>And how did the graders see my 59P coins? Coin #1 was graded MS65+FBL. All others were graded MS65FBL. I was surprised and disappointed because I thought that the others were at least equal, likely better. </p><p><br /></p><p>I was sending some coins in to CAC, so I included #1. I was disappointed in the other 59P grades and didn’t bother to include them. Coin #1 got a green sticker from CAC.</p><p><br /></p><p>Pickin says it’s luster that tips the scales on #1 an #2 - makes sense because #1 got the kewpie doll and it has the most luster of the 59s.</p><p><br /></p><p>But then there is this: I posted a coin here a while back - 1952 Franklin - when I was trying to understand what qualifies as FBL and what doesn’t. Lehigh told me this coin was at least 66FBL and maybe 67FBL… depending on luster!… and that I should submit it to PCGS. Lehigh nailed it, it came back MS66FBL. I sent it off to CAC. They gave it a green sticker. And here is the punch line - it has less luster than any of the 4 1959s!</p><p><br /></p><p>Below are pictures of the 1952. I’m showing the reverse of the 1952 on this one so that people can see that there’s a light toning on the coin, especially on the reverse. Beneath this toning is intact, original luster - but soft, even softer than the MS65 59Ps. (Sorry about the last couple of pictures, but I don’t have my good camera setup at hand.) </p><p><br /></p><p>Now I’ve explained my confusion: If luster is the thing that sets #1 apart from the other 59s, and the other 59s have as much or more luster than the 52, and the 52 got a 66 with a CAC, then the grading here has to be something other than luster. What else is there? Strike. Strike is plenty good on all, to support gem grades. Surface preservation. But surface preservation on #1 looks no better and possibly less good than the other 59s that I have. Curb appeal. I think all of them are simply white coins that look nice in their own way. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, what is it that professional graders are looking for in Franklins? I’m stumped, and it’s a big question because I have lots of Franklins. I’d like to re-submit some of the 59s as well as other years I haven’t mentioned, either cracked out or having PCGS crack them out. But if I don’t know what the graders want to see I’m just wasting my time and money. What are they looking at, anyway?!</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, here goes nothin’ on posting photos, lol…[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="WillGK, post: 8150483, member: 115517"]I didn’t intend this to be a guess the grade. I wanted to see if people are as confused as I am. The fact that opinions have split right down the middle between #1 and #2 confirms it. So I’m going to skip high res pics of reverses for now, because posting photos is something that I’m not good at - gives me heartburn. I actually thought that #2 was a nicer coin, albeit with a bit less luster. And I’ve got a couple of other 59Ps that are similar, one in particular looks better to me than either #1 or #2, and a fourth is close. I submitted these coins when I knew little about how professional graders see coins. I thought that the coins were at least MS65FBL and hopefully one or more might come back MS66FBL. A 65 vs a 66 grade is important in a 59P FBL, up to an order of magnitude difference in price - huge. And how did the graders see my 59P coins? Coin #1 was graded MS65+FBL. All others were graded MS65FBL. I was surprised and disappointed because I thought that the others were at least equal, likely better. I was sending some coins in to CAC, so I included #1. I was disappointed in the other 59P grades and didn’t bother to include them. Coin #1 got a green sticker from CAC. Pickin says it’s luster that tips the scales on #1 an #2 - makes sense because #1 got the kewpie doll and it has the most luster of the 59s. But then there is this: I posted a coin here a while back - 1952 Franklin - when I was trying to understand what qualifies as FBL and what doesn’t. Lehigh told me this coin was at least 66FBL and maybe 67FBL… depending on luster!… and that I should submit it to PCGS. Lehigh nailed it, it came back MS66FBL. I sent it off to CAC. They gave it a green sticker. And here is the punch line - it has less luster than any of the 4 1959s! Below are pictures of the 1952. I’m showing the reverse of the 1952 on this one so that people can see that there’s a light toning on the coin, especially on the reverse. Beneath this toning is intact, original luster - but soft, even softer than the MS65 59Ps. (Sorry about the last couple of pictures, but I don’t have my good camera setup at hand.) Now I’ve explained my confusion: If luster is the thing that sets #1 apart from the other 59s, and the other 59s have as much or more luster than the 52, and the 52 got a 66 with a CAC, then the grading here has to be something other than luster. What else is there? Strike. Strike is plenty good on all, to support gem grades. Surface preservation. But surface preservation on #1 looks no better and possibly less good than the other 59s that I have. Curb appeal. I think all of them are simply white coins that look nice in their own way. So, what is it that professional graders are looking for in Franklins? I’m stumped, and it’s a big question because I have lots of Franklins. I’d like to re-submit some of the 59s as well as other years I haven’t mentioned, either cracked out or having PCGS crack them out. But if I don’t know what the graders want to see I’m just wasting my time and money. What are they looking at, anyway?! Well, here goes nothin’ on posting photos, lol…[/QUOTE]
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