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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 7529899, member: 91461"]I've been on the hunt for a coin from the forth Meris of Macedonia without much luck.</p><p>As we all know, once Perseus tried striking back at Rome after they had just crushed his father's resistance, enough was enough. Rome split Macedon into 4 different pieces, or as they called them Meris's.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300066[/ATTACH]</p><p>The first Meris coins are plentiful (don't worry I've added my 2 below). The second Meris is more of a bucket list coin. But they are easy to get if your wallet is DEEP. Strangely, the third Meris has no known coins that we can identify as theirs. And then lastly, the fourth Meris. Which only made a few bronze coins.</p><p>I LOVE little Greek bronze coins. Especially when they are from Macedonia!</p><p>And then I happened upon this little hot mess as it jumped out at me from my coin cabinet as I was perusing my MSCs:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300063[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>that I bought as:</p><p><b><u>Philip V – Perseus</u></b></p><p>(187-168 BC). Æ (22mm). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Diademed head of Poseidon r. R/ Club; monograms above and below; all within oak wreath. Cf. Draganov 789. Brown patina</p><p><br /></p><p>Looking on ACsearch the Draganov 789 and all the rest of the Phili V and carry my Perseus do look kinda like my trainwreck...but they are not concave and the hair isn't long and wet looking like poseidon. Often this type has a trident behind Poseidon's head and a stick of trident in his mouth.</p><p>Here is an example from AC search:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300053[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>However, the coins of the Fourth Meris ARE concave and have Zeus. AC search example:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300059[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Not to get ahead of myself as I am not sold that mine even says Makedon. As well, the fourth Meris coins appear to have an NE monogram at the top of the reverse, and my stick of chewed bubble gum appears to only have the E. Does this mean it is not the fourth meris. Is it a coin of the fabled third meris?! Probably not.</p><p><br /></p><p>To that point. The third meris was the capital. Why wouldn't they mint any coins in their capital?</p><p><br /></p><p>Back to the search; of all places Sparta has similar coins..though that is a bridge too far as the reverse is notably different:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300061[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So that's that. I couldn't find anything else that remotely looks like my coin on AC search.</p><p>Do you all think this is a fourth meris coin?</p><p><br /></p><p>To catch anyone up that isn't aware of the history of Philip V and Perseus here is a wonderful little write up I came across on ACsearch that may help put this into context for some.</p><p><br /></p><p>"After the defeat of Perseus at the battle of Pydna in 168 BC, the Romans divided Macedonia into four separate autonomous administrative regions ( merides ). The first region (ΠPΩTEΣ) lay east of the Strymon with its capital at Amphipolis, the second (ΔEYTEPAΣ) between the Strymon and Axios with its capital at Thessalonica, the third between the Axios and Peneos with its capital at Pella, and the fourth (TETAPTHΣ) included most of Upper Macedonia with its capital at Heraclea Lynci. These four regions only lasted until 148 BC when the country was finally united to constitute a Roman Province and proceeded to issue coins under the authority of its legatus pro praetore .</p><p>Livy informs us that initially all commerce between the regions, exploitation of the silver and gold mines and the importation of salt were forbidden. Almost all the coinage of this period is struck in the name of the first region and runs parallel to the mass coinages of Thasos and Maroneia from about 158 BC. The first region was the most prolific in its coin issues, striking huge issues of tetradrachms and bronze. The second region had only two issues of tetradrachms and the fourth had only two issues of bronzes. Coins from these two regions are very rare today. No coinage is known from the third region."</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300065[/ATTACH]</p><p><b><u>Macedonia under Roman rule</u></b></p><p>AR tetradrachm- 16,21 gram,31 mm, struck after 168AD at Amphipolis</p><p>obv: diademed head of Artemis Tauropolos facing right with quiver over shoulder in the center of a Macedonian shield, shield decorated with seven eight-pointed stars within double crescents</p><p>rev: Club of Herakles within oak wreath, monograms and legend around, thunderbolt at left</p><p>AMNG III, 159, SNG Cop 1314, BMC 2</p><p>Ex NB-Numismatics</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1300064[/ATTACH]</p><p>Macedon under Roman Rule - First Meris, Amphipolis AR Tetradrachm (167-149 BC)</p><p>16.33 g. 30mm. VF-/VF Diademed and draped bust of Artemis to right, bow and quiver over shoulder, all within tondo of Macedonian shield / Horizontal club to right, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΩΝ above, ΠΡΩΤΗΣ below, monogram in upper central field, two monograms below; all within oak wreath, thunderbolt to left. SNG Copenhagen 1314; AMNG III, 176. very fine, restored</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]QLvvkTbHjHI[/MEDIA]</p><p><br /></p><p>So yeah, any help in identifying this little cutie is appreciated and please share your coins of any Meris, Macedon/Macedonia/Makedon before or after Rome, Meris coins are appreciated and anything else that jumps out of your coin cabinet at you![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 7529899, member: 91461"]I've been on the hunt for a coin from the forth Meris of Macedonia without much luck. As we all know, once Perseus tried striking back at Rome after they had just crushed his father's resistance, enough was enough. Rome split Macedon into 4 different pieces, or as they called them Meris's. [ATTACH=full]1300066[/ATTACH] The first Meris coins are plentiful (don't worry I've added my 2 below). The second Meris is more of a bucket list coin. But they are easy to get if your wallet is DEEP. Strangely, the third Meris has no known coins that we can identify as theirs. And then lastly, the fourth Meris. Which only made a few bronze coins. I LOVE little Greek bronze coins. Especially when they are from Macedonia! And then I happened upon this little hot mess as it jumped out at me from my coin cabinet as I was perusing my MSCs: [ATTACH=full]1300063[/ATTACH] that I bought as: [B][U]Philip V – Perseus[/U][/B] (187-168 BC). Æ (22mm). Uncertain Macedonian mint. Diademed head of Poseidon r. R/ Club; monograms above and below; all within oak wreath. Cf. Draganov 789. Brown patina Looking on ACsearch the Draganov 789 and all the rest of the Phili V and carry my Perseus do look kinda like my trainwreck...but they are not concave and the hair isn't long and wet looking like poseidon. Often this type has a trident behind Poseidon's head and a stick of trident in his mouth. Here is an example from AC search: [ATTACH=full]1300053[/ATTACH] However, the coins of the Fourth Meris ARE concave and have Zeus. AC search example: [ATTACH=full]1300059[/ATTACH] Not to get ahead of myself as I am not sold that mine even says Makedon. As well, the fourth Meris coins appear to have an NE monogram at the top of the reverse, and my stick of chewed bubble gum appears to only have the E. Does this mean it is not the fourth meris. Is it a coin of the fabled third meris?! Probably not. To that point. The third meris was the capital. Why wouldn't they mint any coins in their capital? Back to the search; of all places Sparta has similar coins..though that is a bridge too far as the reverse is notably different: [ATTACH=full]1300061[/ATTACH] So that's that. I couldn't find anything else that remotely looks like my coin on AC search. Do you all think this is a fourth meris coin? To catch anyone up that isn't aware of the history of Philip V and Perseus here is a wonderful little write up I came across on ACsearch that may help put this into context for some. "After the defeat of Perseus at the battle of Pydna in 168 BC, the Romans divided Macedonia into four separate autonomous administrative regions ( merides ). The first region (ΠPΩTEΣ) lay east of the Strymon with its capital at Amphipolis, the second (ΔEYTEPAΣ) between the Strymon and Axios with its capital at Thessalonica, the third between the Axios and Peneos with its capital at Pella, and the fourth (TETAPTHΣ) included most of Upper Macedonia with its capital at Heraclea Lynci. These four regions only lasted until 148 BC when the country was finally united to constitute a Roman Province and proceeded to issue coins under the authority of its legatus pro praetore . Livy informs us that initially all commerce between the regions, exploitation of the silver and gold mines and the importation of salt were forbidden. Almost all the coinage of this period is struck in the name of the first region and runs parallel to the mass coinages of Thasos and Maroneia from about 158 BC. The first region was the most prolific in its coin issues, striking huge issues of tetradrachms and bronze. The second region had only two issues of tetradrachms and the fourth had only two issues of bronzes. Coins from these two regions are very rare today. No coinage is known from the third region." [ATTACH=full]1300065[/ATTACH] [B][U]Macedonia under Roman rule[/U][/B] AR tetradrachm- 16,21 gram,31 mm, struck after 168AD at Amphipolis obv: diademed head of Artemis Tauropolos facing right with quiver over shoulder in the center of a Macedonian shield, shield decorated with seven eight-pointed stars within double crescents rev: Club of Herakles within oak wreath, monograms and legend around, thunderbolt at left AMNG III, 159, SNG Cop 1314, BMC 2 Ex NB-Numismatics [ATTACH=full]1300064[/ATTACH] Macedon under Roman Rule - First Meris, Amphipolis AR Tetradrachm (167-149 BC) 16.33 g. 30mm. VF-/VF Diademed and draped bust of Artemis to right, bow and quiver over shoulder, all within tondo of Macedonian shield / Horizontal club to right, ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΩΝ above, ΠΡΩΤΗΣ below, monogram in upper central field, two monograms below; all within oak wreath, thunderbolt to left. SNG Copenhagen 1314; AMNG III, 176. very fine, restored [MEDIA=youtube]QLvvkTbHjHI[/MEDIA] So yeah, any help in identifying this little cutie is appreciated and please share your coins of any Meris, Macedon/Macedonia/Makedon before or after Rome, Meris coins are appreciated and anything else that jumps out of your coin cabinet at you![/QUOTE]
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