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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;akeady, post: 3177251, member: 83175&quot;]Further to the post on fourrées and the fourrée versions of the Cr. 141/1 denarius, here&#039;s an outline, which may already be well-known!</p><p><br /></p><p>Cr. 141/1 is a denarius minted in Rome sometime between 189 and 180 BC.&nbsp;&nbsp; The obverse has a depiction of a helmeted head of Roma, the reverse Luna in a biga and below the biga the letters TOD with a bird perched on the T.</p><ul> <li>TODUS or TODILLUS (a diminutive) is the Latin name for a small bird, something like a wren</li> <li>This is also a cognomen, so it is assumed that the moneyer responsible for the issue was named Todus and the bird is a pun on his name</li> <li>In some cases, the bird depicted looks larger than a wren - these coins appear to be fourrées in at least many cases</li> </ul><p>I had a spreadsheet of the TOD coins from acsearch a few years ago, but today went and made a new list, of the 36 coins there from 2000 to 2018.</p><p><br /></p><p>Basically, I see two or possibly three types of bird.</p><ol> <li>The wren-type - 30 of these in acsearch, all apparently solid</li> <li>A larger bird with a long beak - 4 of these in acsearch, all apparently fourrées</li> <li>A medium-sized bird, not very wren-like, but a bit different to the type 2 - 2 of these in acsearch, both apparently solid</li> </ol><p>Here are the three types (photos from acsearch, the middle coin is mine now) - I don&#039;t claim any ornithological accuracy in my identifications, but this is the &quot;wren-type&quot; bird:</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/83/4898/4954470.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is the &quot;larger bird with a long beak&quot;:</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/93/2937/3020337.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>This is the &quot;intermediate&quot; bird:</p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/30/3213/3332958.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>A spreadsheet with data from acsearch is <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y4xyWKnbmxTe0pXin6eIPl8rx8TJAtDplz1nc7TUmAQ/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y4xyWKnbmxTe0pXin6eIPl8rx8TJAtDplz1nc7TUmAQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y4xyWKnbmxTe0pXin6eIPl8rx8TJAtDplz1nc7TUmAQ/edit?usp=sharing</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Interestingly, in &quot;The RBW Collection&quot;, on a note following the as of the series (141/2a) Roberto Russo writes &quot;Crawford subdivides this series into two varieties, however, despite being contemporary, they are in fact two very distinct and separate series.&nbsp;&nbsp; The one above, which also includes the denarius, has a small bird with closed wings perched on the T of TOD for the denarius and the as.&nbsp;&nbsp; On the remaining fractions the small bird is perched on T.&nbsp;&nbsp; The other series, which lacks the denarius and follows, has a large bird with spread wings - probably a legionary eagle - perched on the tip of a legionary standard.&nbsp;&nbsp; Beside, at the same height as the top of the head is, a laurel wreath, whose presence reinforces the likelihood of a legionary eagle.&nbsp;&nbsp; The confusion is certainly engendered by the extreme scarcity of well-preserved specimens.&nbsp;&nbsp; For a more extensive analysis see R. Russo in Essays Hersh.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Essays Hersh article splits the two series and introduces a previously unpublished uncia.&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyway, it appears there are some non-wrenlike birds on the denarii also, but not legionary eagles with laurel wreaths.</p><p><br /></p><p>From acsearch, it seems that all four of the larger untidy birds are on plated coins; there are two birds larger than wrens but on solid silver coins, while the remaining thirty coins depict wrenlike birds and are solid silver.</p><p><br /></p><p>ATB,</p><p>Aidan.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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