Found some 2013B* fw printing

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  1. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Looks looked these are from a run that has/ could have duplicate sn?
     

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  3. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    Aren't star notes printed to replace notes of the same serial number that were damaged and thus never released into circulation?
     
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  5. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    Yeah I just read that http://www.uspapermoney.info/general/number.html
    'Until about 1910, the BEP would actually print a replacement note with the same serial number (including letters) as the defective note; however, as production levels increased, this became rather time-consuming.
    To speed up the process, star notes were introduced. The BEP first prints a small quantity of notes with star serial numbers, and then uses these to replace any damaged or misprinted notes discovered during the main print run. The serial number on a star note is not related to the serial number of the defective note it replaces; indeed, a defective note may even be replaced by a star note from a different series, or (in the case of Federal Reserve Notes) from a different Federal Reserve district.'

    Do you know what OP is referring to then? Is it simply notes with the same serial number but a different block number? Or would they would print notes with exact duplicate block & serial numbers and release them into circulation.

    Actually this info http://www.mycurrencycollection.com/reference/star-notes/lookup/1/2013/B01220030* states 'We do not know which is correct, or if the first 250,000 serial numbers were printed twice' So perhaps they would release notes with duplicate serial numbers into circulation, which seems weird and is something I had no idea that was done.
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  6. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I found one a few years ago as well. At the time it was reported that there were 250k but now it seems to have changed. :p
    24Jun15 $1 2013 Star.jpg
     
  7. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    It isn't done on purpose, but the BEP messed up. It looks like the DC and Fort Worth facilities weren't communicating very well, and so they both printed B..* notes in the same serial range. DC printed a partial run 00000001-00250000 and then two full runs 03200001-09600000. FW printed three full runs, 00000001-09600000 (and then later a couple more full runs, up to 16000000). So there are a total of 6,650,000 duplicated serial numbers. Notes from all six of the duplicate runs (three DC and three FW) have been seen in circulation. I'm not aware of anyone actually matching up a pair of duplicates; it'd be awesome if someone could pull it off.

    Similar duplications have happened a few times before. As far as I know, every instance has affected either star notes or uncut-sheet notes; it seems that the record-keeping may be a little less careful there than it is in the regular production print runs. There are duplications in the 1995 $1 B..* and F..*, the 1999 $5 BE..*, the 1988A $1 C..B and K..A uncut sheets, and the 1995 $1 B..A uncut sheets. (Did I miss any?)

    The OP's notes, though, are FW notes that *don't* fall into the DC serial range. So there are no DC duplicates of those particular notes floating around out there. But Furryfrog's DC note may well have a FW counterpart somewhere--good luck tracking it down! :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Drawde

    Drawde Lurking and learning...

    I have logged two 2013 B* notes (DC and a FW) with only 38 numbers separating them. I have a list if interested. PM me if you can open excel files.
     
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  10. Drawde

    Drawde Lurking and learning...

    Hi nice find and report. We are tracking these notes to locate a pair with the same serial from "DC" and "FW". Here are the closest that we have recorded to date.
    FW 0426 0592, F5, FWF107, 85 and DC 0426 0630, G5, G16, 1. 38 serials apart!
    Next closest are DC 0426 0630, G5, G16, 1 and FW 0426 0748, H5, FWH107, 85. 118 serials apart!
    Please post your missing data and Thanks for the info...
     
  11. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Thank you.
    Why did the 1st run start at 00 and the next two started at 03?
     
  12. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    The standard print run for star notes is 3,200,000 notes. That's 100,000 sheets of 32 for most denominations, or 64,000 sheets of 50 for $1's.

    When they print a partial run, they still reserve a full 3,200,000 serial numbers for it, so the next run still begins at a multiple of 3,200,000 (plus one). So for example run 2 always begins at 03200001, no matter how many notes were actually printed in run 1. For quick reference:

    run 1: 00000001-03200000
    run 2: 03200001-06400000
    run 3: 06400001-09600000
    run 4: 09600001-12800000
    run 5: 12800001-16000000
    run 6: 16000001-19200000
    run 7: 19200001-22400000
    run 8: 22400001-25600000
    run 9: 25600001-28800000
    run 10: 28800001-32000000
    run 11: 32000001-35200000
    run 12: 35200001-38400000

    and that's as high as they've ever needed to go since the 3,200,000-note star runs have been standard. It's a convenient system, because you know which run a given note belongs to without having to know the lengths of all the partial runs. For example, Hommer's note 11269446 must come from run 4, no matter how many of the previous runs were partial or how many notes those runs actually produced.

    In the case of the 2013 $1 B..* notes, the duplicated serials (printed at both DC and FW) were the first 250,000 serials of run 1, plus all of runs 2 and 3.
     
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  13. Drawde

    Drawde Lurking and learning...

    Why do you think that they skipped the 2013 B0649 xxxx* range and also the B0703 and 0705?
     
  14. Jesse Doetsch

    Jesse Doetsch New Member

    [​IMG] I have a run of bills in the series that was duplicated uncirculated revived them 02/2020 bank in Alaska my email is jessedoetsch99669@gmail.com if you can help find Thier duplicated bills from the other print run that would be spectacular I have 75 bills total the break due to a bank error there was 25 2 dollar bills in the band of 100 so I have B04327101*-B04327125 with B04327151-B04327200
     
  15. Jesse Doetsch

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  17. Jesse Doetsch

    Jesse Doetsch New Member

    Email me I have 75 notes in the run Jesse
     
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  19. Corn Man

    Corn Man Well-Known Member

    Very good finds
     
  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    No, they are replacement notes and they are printed in numerical order.
     
  21. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    More importantly, if the replacement had the same serial number the star would not be necessary.
     
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