Found a nice 1863 Indian head Penny is my book of junkers!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by TylerH, Aug 14, 2018.

  1. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Hi All,

    My grandpa started me collecting pennies back in 1985 or so, and we did it for a few years in the whitman books until I lost interest and the missing ones got "expensive."

    I just dug those books out and all the indian heads are very worn - except this one!

    This one looks amazing and actually has a different patina / color than the later issues - What do you think?
     

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  3. BigTee44

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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Haha! I was gonna say VF35 or XF40. Who knows?
     
  5. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    If there's separation of the ribbon the ANA calls it a AU, at least that's what I remembered
     
  6. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    What does that mean? The separation of the ribbon part? I have read they made so many of these the strike can be really weak, too
     
  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I like the early ones with the nickel alloy. They are thicker too.
    I am around VF-35.
    The obv is nice but the rev takes it down a little.
    Placement of the dark debris in the numbers and letters on both sides is a concern, and it could be an old cleaning.
     
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  8. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm not an expert on these, but even looking at the PCGS photograde app it looks like the ribbon being separate from the hair is what separates the 45 to a 50.
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    These are CN, so maybe the grading is different?

    This is my 64 CN that I had purchased in a lot of coins and have graded it as a AU in my head but didn't list a grade as, well as I said I'm not an expert on indians and don't want to inflate a coin simply because it's mine.


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  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    But can you grade the thicker CN ones the same as the bronze?
     
  10. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    I've never subbed a CN coin, so that I'm not sure of.

    If this indian doesn't sell by my next sub in 2 weeks I'll submit it and see what they call it.
     
  11. Noah Finney

    Noah Finney Well-Known Member

    half of the liberty is missing I am going to say VF-35
     
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