Found a Fugio...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by WRSiegel, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    I was going through a baggie of coins from my grandfather, and came across this Fugio Cent in a 2x2. I took some quick photos, I plan to remove it from the 2x2 to get some better ones once I have a knife or something to remove the staples carefully.

    I know next to nothing about Fugio's except that they're cool, and I believe have different varieties. If that's the case, are my photos good enough to attribute it?

    I can't tell if it would grade cleanly, the obverse looks alright to me (doesn't mean much), but the reverse looks like it could have some environmental damage, can't quite tell through the 2x2. Edit: Now that I see my own pictures, the obverse looks cleaned to me too?

    Also just wanted to share this awesome piece of history my grandfather left for me :)

    Will

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  3. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    It’s a crusty real one. Would grade environmental damage but still a nice coin I’m guessing vf details
     
  4. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Just use a toothpick to poke a hole in the plastic and it’ll come right outv
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    What makes you think it was cleaned?
     
  6. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Nice Coin. Should be plenty of detail to ID it. Give this a try. Start with the obverse, focus on the relationship of the letters and ornaments in MIND YOUR BUSINESS to each other. Also look at how the letters align with the ornaments in the base of the sun dial. It will take some time, work and concentration but is not too difficult. Let us know what you come up with! https://coins.nd.edu/fugio/Newman1-24/
     
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  7. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    The inconsistency in the color is what's making me wonder. Lighter in some areas in the fields, particularly around the date.
     
  8. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    I'll check the site out and will give it a go this morning. Thank you!
     
  9. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Don't hesitate to ask for help if you get hung up!
     
  10. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    A soak in some verdicare may help this coin and stabilize the corrosion. This one spent some time in the ground as so many did. That being said if it could only tell us where it’s been :)
     
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  11. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    Alrighty, so I went through and believe I have it narrowed down to a few possibilites. It seems the easiest identifier for my coin is how the "B" and "S" are cut off at the bottom of the obverse. I also was trying to look at the position of the "M" relative to the left of the sundial base and the position of the ornaments relative to the rim.

    I'm down to:

    8-B 2010
    15-Y 2093
    18-H R 11-18-75
    18-H RP 12-2-24

    Am I on the right track? Thanks all for your help.

    Will
     
  12. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Checking now. I would rule out obverse 8, on 8 the I in Business is directly under one of the round decorative ornaments at the base of the sun dial. On yours the I is between round ornaments. On obverse 15 the ornament between MIND and YOUR is over the right edge of the I in BUSINESS yours is directly over the I. On obverse 18 the ornament over the I is even farther to the right. Welcome to the world of attributing by die variety! It can be challenging and much more time consuming than most people realize. If you're having fun keep at it, or I can get you going in the right direction.
     
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  13. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    Thank you for the guidance! I'll give it another go tomorrow. This is reaffirming me as a date/mm collector, but I don't give up easily :)

    Will
     
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  14. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Excellent. On Fugios I usually nail down the obverse first to narrow down the possible reverse, I have more trouble with the reverses on these. I have spent hours at times until my eyes blurred and had to put it off until the next day. Especially low grade Rosa Americana pieces, they are the toughest for me.
     
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  15. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    Now looking more at what you called out @l.cutler I'm leaning towards obverses

    11-A 2019
    12-KK 2079
    12-M 2132

    Closer I hope? I'm not completely clear on how much stock to put into how low the motto is on my coin (B in particular cut off).

    Will
     
  16. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    The B being cut off is more of a strike thing, depending on the centering of the strike and size of the planchet. The obverse is 12, you got it. Reverse is trickier though, yours is a little weak. I came up with 12-U.
     
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  17. WRSiegel

    WRSiegel Freshman

    Thank you for all of your help kind sir!
     
  18. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Be careful, these early coppers are addictive!
     
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