Found 1857 Flying Eagle Cent Clash - Any know anything about these?

Much better images. I don't think it's a clash. It looks to go over and show on top of the beak and date. That's not normal for a clash. Interesting coin.

 

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Yep - indiancent.com is Rick Snow's website, aka Eagle Eye Rare Coins

Let us know what he says.

 

I'm seeing just the opposite, especially on the number 1. I think the beak is just coincidence.

 

cracked die

 

The more I look at the more I want to guess it's some type of planchet defect - two uneven surfaces with one higher than the other. But, it's just a guess.

 

They actually broke the dies on these coins because the metal was so hard, but you could be right.

Ruben

 

That would be my vote as well at this point.
I was thinking corrosion but don't see how that could be raised.

 

Cracked die is also a very good explanation.

 

Can we get a picture of the reverse?

 

Congrats would luv to find one of those :thumb:

 

Ask and you shall receive!

 

Thanks! I don't really see any indications on the reverse to explain the obverse.

 

Me too, I don't see anything enticing on the reverse either. And I don't know what I'm dealing with on the obverse. I'm hoping Rick can shed some light on this variety/error, if it's a crack, it's a wild one.

 

The depressed area on the ob seems to have a rougher mo porous surface than the higher area. I would suspect it had something corrosive on it for a fair amount of time. It etched away the metal leaving it lower than the area around the edge.

 

I was thinking along the same lines as Conder. Even though the Nickel % in the FE is only 12% rather than the 25% of the five cent piece, remember that Nic-a-date "raises" the date by actually lowering the surrounding fields due to the altered internal crystallization from striking.

 

I don't know, but it doesn't remind me of either the die cracks or clashes I'm familiar with. It actually reminds me more of lamination errors, where something gets caught between the dies durring pressing. But that's just IMPRESSION, not deduction. OK. I've got the termionology wrong, but I can't come up with the term for what I described. Lamination is a planchet problem and what I am thinking is a striking problem.

Come to think of it, that doesn't fit either since the details are sharp on both sides.

I'll just end where I began. I don't know.

The only thing that looks familiar is what I think could be a crack (or sctratch) from the rim left of the date up to the eagles breast. It crosses the "clash" at a right angle.

I'm wondering if this was laquered at some point and the central area wore off faster.

 

Im thinking this is the best answer.

 

Per an earlier post by the owner (post # 11), the areas in question are raised, not lowered. The large area does look very porous, so that must be what you were referring to.

 

This has me all stumped up to this point, because according to all the talk, it could be any of 5 or 6 things going on. I still haven't heard anything from Mr. Snow yet, I am thinking I'll be calling him tomorrow and see what his take is. Thanks for all the possibilities and making this a compelling topic. The $20 I spent on it was well worth the price of admission.

 

gut reaction:

PMD.

Looks like surface corrosion, possibly dug, and residual 'gunk'.