Fortin Attribution

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by samclemens3991, Nov 29, 2022.

  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Just from the notes provided by Publius2, a scenario "COULD" be something like the Obverse die of 101a could have clashed with a Reverse die from 109 or 110 and then the obverse die was paired with the reverse die of 105 before it was again clashed.

    Knowing nothing of the series, I have no way to know if the dies are identifiable sans clash marks. A couple of times, varieties previously thought to have different dies have been shown to be the same die with a new find providing more detail. Once again, It is reasonable for even experts to be cautious when determining exactly what is going on. Some things are easy and some are not.

    And just a reminder, dies can be used on more than one variety because the variety is determined by the combination of obverse and reverse dies.

    Good luck with your pursuit.
     
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  3. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    It's not rude to disagree and I am fine with debate.

    For the die marriages of 1860, if you go to the page listing of all the 1860 die marriages and click on the image of the F-101a marriage, it will take you to a page focusing solely on the F-101a with much more information. On that page, is this comment:

    Comments: Business strikes were also struck with Obverse 1. On Obverse 1 the date slopes downward while a group of horizontal die lines start from the sixth stripe in the shield and moving right, under the scroll at LIBE(RTY), and end at the fold in Liberty's gown line. The right base of the 1 digit is thick while the left base is thin. The plate coin exhibits die clashing on the obverse; most noticeable between the base and top of date digits.


    Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in finding out more about your coin.
     
  4. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    Sorry so long getting back to you Publius. Death in the family.
    I didn't know there were extended pages. This will come in very useful since I have just begun my focus on Dimes. Thanks.
     
  5. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I am so very sorry to hear of your loss. It's always hard.
     
  6. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    UPDATE I am afraid that our attempts to get pictures of the coin were a complete fail. (It did not help matters that my daughter Allison dropped her phone during the blizzard and then proceeded to run the poor thing over with her car).
    We used shipping tape to put the thing back together. On the one hand it is surprising it works, however the tape seems to have made all the pictures blurry. I spent some time this morning trying to adjust photos but no luck.
    On the other hand, while trapped in a hotel room for a few days awhile back I made a discovery. (The room had a desk with a lamp that must have been 1000 watts.) Lucky for me I had coin and loupe along since I knew I would have hours of dead time.
    The coin DOES HAVE clash marks on the reverse. That was the only point holding it back from being identified as a Fortin 105. I can only assume the obverse clash marks must be some version of 105 and perhaps they were lapped off on later coins. Maybe right , maybe wrong, but at least I can log it in my journal with an asterisk. James
     
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