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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;DonnaML, post: 5243269, member: 110350&quot;]I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s wearing pants! It was my understanding from reading descriptions of coins (and obviously I could be wrong) that it&#039;s the absence of drapery, a cuirass, or anything else on a bust -- making the figure look like he&#039;s naked from the waist up -- that makes it &quot;heroic&quot; by numismatic convention. See these comments by [USER=89514]@curtislclay[/USER]&nbsp; and [USER=82616]@David Atherton[/USER] on the Forvm discussion board in 2013:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556040#msg556040" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556040#msg556040" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556040#msg556040</a></p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;By numismatic convention, followed by Cohen, the early RIC volumes, and BMC, a &quot;head&quot; has no adornments except for a possible wreath or radiate crown, while a &quot;bust&quot; has adornments, usually a fold of the cloak or aegis on the front shoulder and behind the neck, or a cuirass worn on the upper body and covering both shoulders, or a cloak pinned around the neck, or both cuirass and cloak.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Obviously heroic nude busts including much of the upper body are exceptions and cannot be called merely &quot;heads&quot; because they lack adornment!&quot;</b></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556056#msg556056" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556056#msg556056" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=89265.msg556056#msg556056</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>&quot;An unadorned portrait with torso/shoulder I would describe as a &#039;heroic (nude?) bust&#039;.&quot;</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>Maybe it&#039;s not an exclusive definition, and other kinds of busts can be called &quot;heroic&quot; as well. As I&#039;ve said many times, I&#039;m no expert.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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