Five star Generals Program

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  1. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    The basis of the land based air assets availability was not a sitting duck situation. I posted prior to this post, where the historical facts and explanations can be found. The advanced knowledge is not as you portray.

    As to the quote, I fail to understand the relevance. I assume, and hopefully incorrectly, that he was discounting the efforts o the U.S. military contributions as whole. Yes, he was a Caesar in word and deed and pride. What he was not was ignorant. One has to remember that the Philippine government did not trust The U.S., and did not trust POTUS. History explains quite well that there reasons were sound.

    But, MacArthur was trusted, and again because of sound reasons. POTUS was aware of this love relationship, and used it to the advantage of the U.S., and to the advantage of his political vision for the U.S.

    An interesting sideline to this, is the interweaving path crossing of the big six, including Bechtel, and certain companies, and, a very important part of the historical story, Bernard Baruch.

    The history of the Philippines in WW2 is a history of a true clash of the U.S. Titans, all with the same goal and sometimes in nefarious ways....the success of the U.S. and allied forces in all theaters of operation.

    MacArthur was a showboater. Granted. MacArthur was a glory hound. Granted. MacArthur was larger than life and definitely considered himself an American Caesar. Granted.

    I part company when the historical record is modified by anyone that wants to declare a dereliction of duty by MacArthur.

    There was a reason he received the call to command to the UN defense of South Korea. It was not because of any misstated and historical modification by uttering dereliction of duty.
     
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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Read up a bit on this guy and tell me what you think.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gunn
     
  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Quite aware........
     
  5. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    George C. Kenney did a better job in the Pacific than MacAurther ever did.....
     
  6. CHARLES GINETTO

    CHARLES GINETTO Supporter! Supporter

    I'm not going anywhere.
     
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  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Good......:) I like lively discourse.
     
  8. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Now you are just being obtuse. You know you are wrong. Have a discussion. Make your position clear by historical reference. To state a position, have it factually debunked, and then to acknowledge the fact used to debunk your position, but cry to the heavens that you are not moved in opinion and then re-state the very fact that was debunked, is either willful ignorance , belligerence of pride, or just starting an argument for attention. Join the conversation and discuss in a manner that does not declare to the observer that you are incapable of rational contribution.

    My opinion, of course.
     
  9. charley

    charley Well-Known Member


    What you are engaging in is not lively discourse. It is belittling other members, it is condescending, it is disingenuous, and it is a waste of time and energy.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Of course. But if the shoe was on the other foot, the Japanese commander would have remained.
     
  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    What's the matter? I see no belittling.......
     
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  12. CHARLES GINETTO

    CHARLES GINETTO Supporter! Supporter

    No, the Jap commander would have committed hari-kari.
     
  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    And the Chinese scared the BeJesus out of MacAurther at Chosin Resvour.....
     
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    There is something honorable in that.......At what point do you think he would have committed it?

    I'm not condoning it as it's a 'cultural' thing. As to that, consult Falstaff......
     
  15. CHARLES GINETTO

    CHARLES GINETTO Supporter! Supporter

    I don't care about when. My father and uncles fought under Mac Arthur. One of my uncles was at the Schofield Barracks when the Japs attacked. He was missing for three days. He was rewarded when found with deployment in New Guinea.
     
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  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Dear god. Cool your jets.
     
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  17. capthank

    capthank Well-Known Member

    Excellent point, Follow orders even if you disagree,
     
  18. capthank

    capthank Well-Known Member

    Been at Schofield and hope never New Guinea. My Uncle told me stories about his service in New Guinea....horrible.
     
  19. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    So he was just supposed to kill himself because that would have been very helpful?

    He didn't but he was a different branch anyways that had different roles to play. IF you flipped what branch they were in charge of you would be saying the opposite and many of the same decisions would have been made.

    It's rather silly for people to be arguing that great 5 stars should have remained to be tortured and killed

    Aside from the concentration camps being captured by Japan were the most brutal POW camps of the war
     
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  20. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    God didn't post it. I did.
    Disagree if you like. That is your Right to do so.
     
  21. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes it is and we all have that right. No need to get upset with someone with a different opinion. Just give yours and leave it at that. I don't have an opinion on the history but I did learn a great deal from what has been posted.
    They didn't teach WWII in my school days. I guess it was too modern. We were learning Lincoln and a different war.
     
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