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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 647628, member: 13650"]These days, I'd be looking to put money in anything that will at least maintain value. </p><p><br /></p><p> From what I've been reading, this has to be one of the riskiest times since it's inception to be in the markets. The government says unemployment is at 9.5%. Shadowstats which figures unemployment the way it used to be done puts the figure at 21%. Take out government jobs and jobs that rely on government programs and now the private sector is probably closer to 40-50% real unemployment. We've lost a million more jobs than Obama predicted we would if we DIDN'T pass the stimulus bill. </p><p><br /></p><p> When it sets in how realisticaly bad things are, I expect the markets to plummet. I've read that a lot of the stimulus money has been pumped into the markets to falsely prop them up and lure people back in. I know classical wisdom would have people telling you that the 1950's are just around the corner. It's traditionally been the only way to average a 10% return, but I'm saying, I believe we can forget about that for a long time. </p><p> Lets see. Unemployment has gotten worse. GDP is down to -5%. Yet the markets are rising?? Makes total sense! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Unemployment benefits are going to start running out for a lot of people over the next 6-12 months. Then what? The stimulus is going to run out. Then what? </p><p><br /></p><p> Even if you do have a gain, you need to subtract the dollars value, broker fees, transaction fees, inflation and finally, hack capital gains tax out of it. Maybe you end up with a profit if you do extremely well. Which I don't see what would indicate anything going that way in the near to mid term. Or long term. As we await a total dollar devaluation on top of it to temporarily save us from our debt while killing everyone's paper savings.</p><p><br /></p><p> If you need it, you should probably just leave it in cash, on hand. In case of a bank holiday. </p><p> It won't make much difference anyway. Inflation's around 6% at the moment. You can tie it up (3 business days away) in an online account at 1.4%. Or try one of their CDs at a whopping 1.5%. Which is MUCH better than the 1.0% my bank is offering. But, they'll gladly hold on to it for you as you're losing 5% or more each year that goes by. </p><p><br /></p><p> The current climate we live in is not real conducive for the average guy to make it in investing. We'll be lucky if we don't all lose our shirts if people are willing to get realistic about it. </p><p><br /></p><p> Nobody can blame you if you wanted to go the precious metals route. Many people will continue to tell you to rely on the stock market because they themselves are relying on the pyramid scheme for their own retirement survival. Unfortunately, I think eventually someone will be left holding the bag.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 647628, member: 13650"]These days, I'd be looking to put money in anything that will at least maintain value. From what I've been reading, this has to be one of the riskiest times since it's inception to be in the markets. The government says unemployment is at 9.5%. Shadowstats which figures unemployment the way it used to be done puts the figure at 21%. Take out government jobs and jobs that rely on government programs and now the private sector is probably closer to 40-50% real unemployment. We've lost a million more jobs than Obama predicted we would if we DIDN'T pass the stimulus bill. When it sets in how realisticaly bad things are, I expect the markets to plummet. I've read that a lot of the stimulus money has been pumped into the markets to falsely prop them up and lure people back in. I know classical wisdom would have people telling you that the 1950's are just around the corner. It's traditionally been the only way to average a 10% return, but I'm saying, I believe we can forget about that for a long time. Lets see. Unemployment has gotten worse. GDP is down to -5%. Yet the markets are rising?? Makes total sense! :rolleyes: Unemployment benefits are going to start running out for a lot of people over the next 6-12 months. Then what? The stimulus is going to run out. Then what? Even if you do have a gain, you need to subtract the dollars value, broker fees, transaction fees, inflation and finally, hack capital gains tax out of it. Maybe you end up with a profit if you do extremely well. Which I don't see what would indicate anything going that way in the near to mid term. Or long term. As we await a total dollar devaluation on top of it to temporarily save us from our debt while killing everyone's paper savings. If you need it, you should probably just leave it in cash, on hand. In case of a bank holiday. It won't make much difference anyway. Inflation's around 6% at the moment. You can tie it up (3 business days away) in an online account at 1.4%. Or try one of their CDs at a whopping 1.5%. Which is MUCH better than the 1.0% my bank is offering. But, they'll gladly hold on to it for you as you're losing 5% or more each year that goes by. The current climate we live in is not real conducive for the average guy to make it in investing. We'll be lucky if we don't all lose our shirts if people are willing to get realistic about it. Nobody can blame you if you wanted to go the precious metals route. Many people will continue to tell you to rely on the stock market because they themselves are relying on the pyramid scheme for their own retirement survival. Unfortunately, I think eventually someone will be left holding the bag.[/QUOTE]
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