First I have seen - grade without a date

This is not about winning or losing and I'm not asking you to change. The easy answer is "experience." Probably works 99.9% of the time. Additionally, at ICG we use ( ) for anything we cannot see like on an MS-66 off-center Mint error.

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19 ( )
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Coins also have edge reeds, weights, and compositions. Just suppose some dummy recorded the grade and condition for every early Large cent he ever saw over decades and that info was passed down for further decades. Over a long period of time someone could say the weight range for a Fr-2 1794 Large cent is: .

BTW, I would suggest doing that might be a good thing for the EAC to try with all the deceptive fakes coming out now. Poll the members for each date, condition and variety.

The only things the TPGS stopped authenticating a while back were blank planchets SO THEY AGREE WITH YOU I guess.

 

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I am strongly against grading a coin as "Poor-1" if there is no discernable date. If you can identify the date by using other markers (such as a unique die variety which is still discernable at that grade), then I'm okay with it.

I checked my copy of the ANA grading standards, and they actually didn't go below AG-3 (no mention of Fair 2 or Poor 1). My copy is quite old, however, and newer editions may have updated guidelines. Can someone check that?

I did check the PCGS Official Guide to grading, and they listed "Poor-1: Identifiable Date and Type."

So to me - if there is no date, you can label as "No Date, Morgan".... and that's about it.

(And, because I know someone out there is going to bring it up - off centered coins with no date don't fall under this. Of course they have no date - but you can grade them based on their wear. Their lack of date isn't due to the wear, its due to the error. The Poor-1 standards apply to normally struck coins which have had their date worn off.)

(And yes, this applies to Buffaloes and Standing Liberty quarters which still have plenty of detail left but have had their dates worn off due to bad design - they are ungradeable).

 

I abhor such machinations.......it ain't worthy unless you can determine the date. MHO.......

 

Which TPGs don't authenticate blank planchets? I hadn't heard anything about that. I thought they were recognized as perfectly legitimate errors.

 

Coins with no date or design are culls. Nevertheless, we try to serve our customers' wishes.

 

AFAIK, all of them for many years. Perhaps they have changed. I know we still do some like in the Discovery Set. I'll check the other services.

I hate to be posting misinformation.

 

Then how can ("The only things the TPGS stopped authenticating a while back were blank planchets SO THEY AGREE WITH YOU I guess. ") that statement be true when you just admitted they're still done by your company?

If only one could go on eBay and see new slabs with them being graded, but what do I know

 

The Ana Grading Standards has definitions from PO-1 to MS-70 in the front of the book. I didn't look at all the individual coins to see if they went to PO-1. I only saw down to AG-3 on the individual coin listings. My book is from 2013.

 

It is (most likely) that smooth due to slot machine use back in the day so it’s (mostly likely) because of the casino that it’s that smooth.

 

hey I know a guy that can turn blank planchets into three nines pure elemental metal by just using chemicals

 

How can the grading company determine, that the OP coin is the result of normal wear/circulation and not a details coin?
I don't see how they can in that 1st case.

 

Except for T1 buffalos, 1916 and 17 type 1 standing Liberty quarters, and some one year only type coins.