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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8168921, member: 85693"]Glad you are feeling better [USER=80952]@ambr0zie[/USER] and sorry you were not well earlier. Those are some nice Commodus denarii you have - he is one of my favorite emperors to collect, so many oddball reverse types and sometimes the portraits are spectacular. </p><p><br /></p><p>Back when I was starting out on Coin Talk in 2017, I lucked into a Commodus denarius that had me stumped. I posted it and [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER] set me on the right path. Turns out is is quite rare and got an extensive write-up in the CNG auction zumbly found. This is one of the best coins in my junkyard collection of ancients</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commodus-denarius-attribution-help-please-liberalitas-rev.303052/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commodus-denarius-attribution-help-please-liberalitas-rev.303052/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commodus-denarius-attribution-help-please-liberalitas-rev.303052/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I've included CNG's research notes - a very interesting issue, the last "liberality" of his reign, possibly connected to a fire of 192 A.D.: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1426804[/ATTACH] </p><p><b>Commodus Denarius</b></p><p><b>(192 A.D.)</b></p><p><b>Rome Mint</b></p><p>[L] AEL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL, laureate head right /LIB AVG VIIII P M TR P [XVII</p><p>COS VII P P], Liberalitas stdg. half left with abacus & cradling cornucopia; star to left.</p><p>RIC 240; RSC 327. Very rare.</p><p>(2.01 grams / 17 mm)</p><p>eBay Sep. 2017 Lot @ $7.81</p><p><br /></p><p>CNG eAuction 402, Lot: 531. Estimate $300.</p><p>Sold for $900. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.</p><p>Commodus. AD 177-192. AR Denarius (17mm, 3.27 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck AD 192. Laureate head right / LIB AVG VIIII P M TR P XVII COS VII P P, Liberalitas standing half left, holding abacus and cradling cornucopia in left arm; star to left. RIC III 240; MIR 18, –; RSC 327; BMCRE p. 747, *. Good VF, toned. Nice metal. Very rare, only one in CoinArchives.</p><p>From the BRN Collection. Ex Classical Numismatic Review XL/1 (Spring 2015), no. 995800; Elwood Rafn Collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>At the time that RIC volume III was written, the authors had no idea of the occasions for the two liberalities of AD 192, LIB AVG VIII and VIIII. Maria Kaiser-Raiß, in her study of the coinage of Commodus, argues that the Liberalitas VIII issue was given in the aftermath of the death of Julius Alexander of Emesa, who she contends was fomenting a serious revolt, while the Liberalitas VIIII issue was struck in reaction to the great fire that occurred in Rome in 192 (Die stadtrömische Münzprägung während der Alleinherrschaft des Commodus [Franfurt am Main: Schulten, 1980], pp. 51-2 and 54). However, there are two problems with her assignments. First, regarding the "revolt" of Alexander, none of the primary sources give it much emphasis whatsoever, particularly in Rome. Second, the dating of this event is not firm, with most authors noting it happening in AD 190 or 191. As such, it is unlikely that the eighth liberalitas was not struck in relation to the "revolt" of Alexander of Emesa.</p><p><br /></p><p>In this light, it may be that LIB AVG VIII actually commemorates the great fire in AD 192, while LIB AVG VIIII commemorates a different event. The rarity of the LIB AVG VIIII issue may offer a clue (the rarity is emphasized by the fact that MIR states that RIC III 240 is “Typ unbelegt”; an example apparently could not be confirmed by the author). The last issue of Commodus, the TR P XVIII issues, are extremely rare, and most scholars attribute this rarity to the ability of the government to confiscate and melt down these issues that only recently entered circulation before the emperor's death. As the LIB AVG VIIII issue is nearly as rare as the TR P XVIII coins, it is reasonable to conclude that they were struck nearer to the end of 192 than the beginning. We know that the fire likely happened in the Spring of 192, which would seem to be too early for the issue to be so effectively removed from circulation. The regular TR P XVII issues struck not long before are quite plentiful today, so an issue in the Spring should also be quite plentiful. A possible solution is that the LIB AVG VIII issue was struck in the immediate aftermath of the fire, perhaps to help those dispossessed, while the LIB AVG VIIII issue was struck later in the year, during a celebratory event following the rebuilding of the city.</p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=340510" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=340510" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=340510</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 8168921, member: 85693"]Glad you are feeling better [USER=80952]@ambr0zie[/USER] and sorry you were not well earlier. Those are some nice Commodus denarii you have - he is one of my favorite emperors to collect, so many oddball reverse types and sometimes the portraits are spectacular. Back when I was starting out on Coin Talk in 2017, I lucked into a Commodus denarius that had me stumped. I posted it and [USER=57495]@zumbly[/USER] set me on the right path. Turns out is is quite rare and got an extensive write-up in the CNG auction zumbly found. This is one of the best coins in my junkyard collection of ancients [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/commodus-denarius-attribution-help-please-liberalitas-rev.303052/[/URL] I've included CNG's research notes - a very interesting issue, the last "liberality" of his reign, possibly connected to a fire of 192 A.D.: [ATTACH=full]1426804[/ATTACH] [B]Commodus Denarius (192 A.D.) Rome Mint[/B] [L] AEL AVREL COMM AVG P FEL, laureate head right /LIB AVG VIIII P M TR P [XVII COS VII P P], Liberalitas stdg. half left with abacus & cradling cornucopia; star to left. RIC 240; RSC 327. Very rare. (2.01 grams / 17 mm) eBay Sep. 2017 Lot @ $7.81 CNG eAuction 402, Lot: 531. Estimate $300. Sold for $900. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee. Commodus. AD 177-192. AR Denarius (17mm, 3.27 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck AD 192. Laureate head right / LIB AVG VIIII P M TR P XVII COS VII P P, Liberalitas standing half left, holding abacus and cradling cornucopia in left arm; star to left. RIC III 240; MIR 18, –; RSC 327; BMCRE p. 747, *. Good VF, toned. Nice metal. Very rare, only one in CoinArchives. From the BRN Collection. Ex Classical Numismatic Review XL/1 (Spring 2015), no. 995800; Elwood Rafn Collection. At the time that RIC volume III was written, the authors had no idea of the occasions for the two liberalities of AD 192, LIB AVG VIII and VIIII. Maria Kaiser-Raiß, in her study of the coinage of Commodus, argues that the Liberalitas VIII issue was given in the aftermath of the death of Julius Alexander of Emesa, who she contends was fomenting a serious revolt, while the Liberalitas VIIII issue was struck in reaction to the great fire that occurred in Rome in 192 (Die stadtrömische Münzprägung während der Alleinherrschaft des Commodus [Franfurt am Main: Schulten, 1980], pp. 51-2 and 54). However, there are two problems with her assignments. First, regarding the "revolt" of Alexander, none of the primary sources give it much emphasis whatsoever, particularly in Rome. Second, the dating of this event is not firm, with most authors noting it happening in AD 190 or 191. As such, it is unlikely that the eighth liberalitas was not struck in relation to the "revolt" of Alexander of Emesa. In this light, it may be that LIB AVG VIII actually commemorates the great fire in AD 192, while LIB AVG VIIII commemorates a different event. The rarity of the LIB AVG VIIII issue may offer a clue (the rarity is emphasized by the fact that MIR states that RIC III 240 is “Typ unbelegt”; an example apparently could not be confirmed by the author). The last issue of Commodus, the TR P XVIII issues, are extremely rare, and most scholars attribute this rarity to the ability of the government to confiscate and melt down these issues that only recently entered circulation before the emperor's death. As the LIB AVG VIIII issue is nearly as rare as the TR P XVIII coins, it is reasonable to conclude that they were struck nearer to the end of 192 than the beginning. We know that the fire likely happened in the Spring of 192, which would seem to be too early for the issue to be so effectively removed from circulation. The regular TR P XVII issues struck not long before are quite plentiful today, so an issue in the Spring should also be quite plentiful. A possible solution is that the LIB AVG VIII issue was struck in the immediate aftermath of the fire, perhaps to help those dispossessed, while the LIB AVG VIIII issue was struck later in the year, during a celebratory event following the rebuilding of the city. [URL]https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=340510[/URL][/QUOTE]
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