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1) Over time information eventually comes to the Internet. Getting it onto the Internet is much harder than getting it back off the Internet once it's there.

2) To return to twentieth-century levels of information vetting and curation, we might need to return to twentieth-century levels of information publication, and that isn't happening -- not when the cost and time to publish has dropped by so many orders of magnitude. There will never be so few gatekeepers as there once were. It's a shame that we lose the benefit of their experience and expertise, but we also escape their prejudices and self-interest.

3) It doesn't take a journalist to collate and reformat public records, data, or sales and auction histories. I do support real journalism -- we still subscribe to our local paper, even though there are many days when I don't even check the headlines -- but the days when a news outlet "added value" to legal notices or classified ads (or, Heaven help us, editorial opinion) are long, long gone.

4) Online advertising is a mess, and in a tremendous state of flux. But to think that we'll solve all its problems by going back to printed ads and TV commercials is just silly.

The Internet is a superior serving table, storage container, and possibly even grocery and kitchen for that numismatic cake. And, of course, a comfortable, well-appointed, and well-attended dining room.

 

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Insanely antiquated biased opinion. The Internet has been a source of information for well over a decade. This is why traditional media has struggled and you kind of sound like the heads of the old newspapers that couldn't adjust.

As far as paying journalist for online, they do get paid if they are smart and numismatic ones have already showed how outdated they are in a few instances with how they release their work.

You have proved my point entirely. You guys have a view of what a collector should be and because you can't find it the hobby is dying meanwhile all this information stating otherwise doesn't matter because it is online.....

It already is the cake and has been for several years.

 

Exactly! Now you understand. Read Andrew Keene's brilliant work, The Cult of the Amateur - How Today's Internet Is Killing Our Culture. It's 10 years old now, but the corrosive effect of the Internet has only gained momentum.

 

No thanks, you are hanging on to a book a decade old with that reference too anyway.

At the end of the day it is fine. Collecting will go on, and people that don't understand the internet will think it is dead

 

I'll just bet you keep an online virtual album of coins too, right? .

 

As well as spelling and punctuation as well, apparently. No, thank you.

 

So now you resort to personal insults for no reason because you have no response?

 

Kurt since the internet is such trash why are you on it?

 

Look, I do not have, and I cannot acquire, sufficient bandwidth where I live to make the Internet much more than a tolerable annoyance on its best days. In much of where I travel, there is ZERO Internet at all. You do the math. If the Internet BECOMES the home of numismatics, I'm SOL.

We still have video/DVD rental places where I live, because video streaming bandwidth is so rare. It's not a Blockbuster per se, but an independent who bought their inventory wholesale.

 

Numismatics is bigger than you kurt. I'll leave it at that. Trying to destroy the great online sources because it would hurt you not sure what to say to that

 

And promoting the Internet as ubiquitous and the "future", when it is FAAAAR from it, whether you're an online coin dealer or the FCC, is about as irresponsible as it gets. And I'm not sure what to say to you to have you understand THAT.

 

You are right it isn't the future, it is the past you are about at last half a decade late

 

Or "least" even? Go ahead, keeping making my point for me.

 

The last coin auction I attended was held less than a 10-minute drive from the state capitol building. The hall held about 300 bidders. Nobody had connectivity. No wireless carrier had ANY SIGNAL whatsoever - not Verizon, not AT&T, not T-Mobile, not Sprint/Nextel, not ANY COMPANY. Internet? Just an add-on.

The only working phone is/was a landline with no DSL available. The ONLY Internet available was a dial-up using that line. Doesn't that violate the FCC's regulations for minimum broadband? Yes, it does. But the FCC denies they don't have broadband, because SOMEWHERE in that census block (perhaps 10 square miles), SOMEBODY does. The FCC is a joke!

 

Landlines what?

Kurt last response to you. It does scare me you supposedly influence policy. You clearly do not understand technology and are about 20 years behind. You

I do wish you could understand technology.

 

Still not finding those punctuation keys? Alrighty then.

 

I'm just fed up to my eyebrows with these "Internet this" and "Internet that" kiddies. They need to understand how the real world works, and not just their little subset thereof.

 

How the world actually works passed you by 20 years ago. Last reply from for for real. The internet is the world where you in a coma for 20 years?

 

Regarding my "influencing policy", I now work for the Consumer Affairs committee and right now our hottest policy issue is broadband providers resisting universal coverage mandates. "Too expensive!" About 60% of the land area of my state has no broadband - wired or wireless.

I'll tell them it's all okay, as long as baseball21 says he's happy. As long as he and his enlightened buddies are served, 'tsall good.

 

Ah, yes, the coin auctions where there's no online participation, not even any online announcement that it's going to happen. Aren't those the ones where super-desirable coins were going for near-melt prices?

You seem to believe that that makes those very low prices the natural level for those coins, with online and big-auction prices artificially high. And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you're seeing less participation in those auctions, with lower prices.

But I think most of us see those auctions as a highly distorted market, with unnecessary limits on competition (since most interested buyers will never hear of them), and unnecessary (or at least atypical) limits on information flow. I don't claim deep understanding of the Efficient Market Hypothesis, but my working assumption is that you don't improve price determination by reducing access to information...?