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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24633634, member: 26430"]Wow, it's especially great that Côte listed the collection number, since the coin was not in the Pozzi sale (<a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9779820r/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9779820r/" rel="nofollow">Naville Ars Classica I, 4 April [dated 14 Mar] 1921 [reprint 1966]</a>). And the Boutin catalog (1979) was still an unpublished manuscript & would only be known to dealers like Ratto & collectors like Côte back in 1929.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's another Pozzi-Côte coin (then C. Pitchfork): </p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=620704" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=620704" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=620704</a></p><p>Might be worth checking what Wolfgang Fischer-Bossert says about your coin (no doubt it's at least cited), since if there's any more published provenance to find, he would be the one to have found it!</p><p><br /></p><p>In case you don't have the Boutin 1979 Pozzi Catalog (excellent resource, since it includes many more coins than Ars Classica I) here is your coin:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1566930[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Unfortunately Pozzi gives no prior provenance, so the trail may run cold (after having run very hot!), unless you can track it forward after Côte (see below):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1566929[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Incidentally -- since it's a provenance thread -- these images are coming from Mark Salton & Lottie Salton's copy of Pozzi-Boutin, which I got in a <a href="https://www.sixbid-coin-archive.com#/en/single/l33956561" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sixbid-coin-archive.com#/en/single/l33956561" rel="nofollow"><i>konvolut </i>at Kolbe-Fanning's Salton Library sale</a>:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1566931[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I always love finding two or more for one coin because then you don't only have a coin provenance. You have a social network, which is also a flow of numismatic data and knowledge.</p><p><br /></p><p>Using coins as "nodes," the diagram below shows the largest contiguous social network of inter-connected provenances from my own collection. (E.g., the Elis AE with Hera/Eagle, or the Hidrieus Tetradrachm, connect up to 5 or 6 known collectors.)</p><p><br /></p><p>It's grown since, but my latest draft includes ~57 private collectors fully interconnected with one another by about 34 coins (I only included coins that connected at least one new collector). Think "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" (though the furthest are 10 steps removed in my diagram below):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1566920[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Knowing where a collectors coins tended to flow afterward can be very useful for tracking provenance <i>forward</i> in time from any known collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>For Pozzi, figuring out where they went mid-century is often the hard part. How long was it in Côte's collection and who got it next? Some of the ones below are ruled out because it went to Côte right away.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, I'm mostly just sharing these as general reference for anyone researching their own Pozzi's.</p><p><br /></p><p>A great many ended up in either the Lockett Collection (the largest single buyer from the Pozzi sale I'm aware of, who started collecting ancients with that sale), J.S. Wilkinson (of Malter 49, reportedly once known as "mini Pozzi," many of whose came from Lockett), or the Jacob Hirsch Estate (Hess-Leu 16-4-57 sale). (I've never seen a "named and priced" copy of the Pozzi catalog, but it would be a real treasure trove of info!)</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=86498]@Terence Cheesman[/USER] 's coin wasn't in any of those three (for Hirsch it's hard to know, though, because only a fraction were published in the major catalog from Hess-Leu). I regularly check Pozzi coins against these:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>- Lockett </b>(all the SNG images for Greek silver/gold, the sale catalogs are on rnumis.com for Greek AE, Roman, Byz; the Magna Graecia/Sicily are also in Steve Moulding's rnumis): <a href="http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/</a> [<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6969812" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6969812" rel="nofollow">he also bought coins</a> from Côte's Ratto sale!]</p><p><b>- J.S. Wilkinson </b>(Malter 49): unfortunately not online to my knowledge, but I'm always happy to check single coins for anyone;</p><p><b>- Jacob Hirsch</b> (Hess-Leu <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p" rel="nofollow">16 April 1957</a>, also later catalogs & many private sales): <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p" rel="nofollow">https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p</a></p><p><br /></p><p><i>These also had enough ex-Pozzi's to catch my attention (more than a few)</i>:</p><p><b>- Tom Virzi</b> (for Greek <b><i>Bronzes</i></b>, Bank Leu <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/" rel="nofollow">Auktion 6</a>, 8 May 1973): <a href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/" rel="nofollow">https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/</a></p><p><b>- George Bauer Coll. </b>(Edward Gans <a href="https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/" rel="nofollow">MBS 16</a>, 19 April 1960): <a href="https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/</a></p><p><b>- Olga H. Knoepke</b> (Glendining <a href="https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/" rel="nofollow">10 December 1986</a>), who also had many Vlasto's according to my notes, but not the Cheesman specimen, nor either of my Pozzi's: <a href="https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/</a></p><p><b>- Robert O Lawson Collection</b> (Superior, 3 June 1985), specifically <b><i>Judaeans </i></b>ex-Pozzi: <a href="https://archive.org/details/robertolawsoncol1985supe/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/robertolawsoncol1985supe/" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/details/robertolawsoncol1985supe/</a></p><p><b>- Rev. Edgar Rogers </b>also acquired a bunch of the <b><i>Thessalian</i></b>, some still in private hands, but severely muddled the references in his 1934 book on <i><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Rogers%20Thessaly" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Rogers%20Thessaly" rel="nofollow">The Copper Coinage of Thessaly</a></i> (which actually also discussed many small AR too).</p><p>- <b>Virgil Brand Collection</b> in 10 parts (at least 3 or 4 w/ ancient); unfortunately I haven't seen the catalogs yet, but I've noticed many Pozzi's were off the market for ~60 years until Brand's coins were sold by Sotheby's 1982-1984.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, any major collection of Greek formed after 1921 will usually contain a few. Mark Salton had more than <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=salton+pozzi&category=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=salton+pozzi&category=1" rel="nofollow">the 4 that Stack's noticed</a> in their recent sales; I suspect many flowed through his Fixed Price Lists, but unfortunately they're hard to come by now (I've only got 2 of at least 33 FPL + 22 MBS!).</p><p><br /></p><p>There were also <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=pozzi+christopher+morcom&category=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=pozzi+christopher+morcom&category=1" rel="nofollow">dozens in the Morcom Collections</a> of Greek AE (CNG 76 & e-auctions), many of them privately purchased by RKM, not in the Ars Classica but still often in the Boutin catalog. BCD, of course, had a bunch, often with intermediate provenance published (but not in the case of my Pelinna Diobol).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24633634, member: 26430"]Wow, it's especially great that Côte listed the collection number, since the coin was not in the Pozzi sale ([URL='https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9779820r/']Naville Ars Classica I, 4 April [dated 14 Mar] 1921 [reprint 1966][/URL]). And the Boutin catalog (1979) was still an unpublished manuscript & would only be known to dealers like Ratto & collectors like Côte back in 1929. Here's another Pozzi-Côte coin (then C. Pitchfork): [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=620704[/URL] Might be worth checking what Wolfgang Fischer-Bossert says about your coin (no doubt it's at least cited), since if there's any more published provenance to find, he would be the one to have found it! In case you don't have the Boutin 1979 Pozzi Catalog (excellent resource, since it includes many more coins than Ars Classica I) here is your coin: [ATTACH=full]1566930[/ATTACH] Unfortunately Pozzi gives no prior provenance, so the trail may run cold (after having run very hot!), unless you can track it forward after Côte (see below): [ATTACH=full]1566929[/ATTACH] Incidentally -- since it's a provenance thread -- these images are coming from Mark Salton & Lottie Salton's copy of Pozzi-Boutin, which I got in a [URL='https://www.sixbid-coin-archive.com#/en/single/l33956561'][I]konvolut [/I]at Kolbe-Fanning's Salton Library sale[/URL]: [ATTACH=full]1566931[/ATTACH] I always love finding two or more for one coin because then you don't only have a coin provenance. You have a social network, which is also a flow of numismatic data and knowledge. Using coins as "nodes," the diagram below shows the largest contiguous social network of inter-connected provenances from my own collection. (E.g., the Elis AE with Hera/Eagle, or the Hidrieus Tetradrachm, connect up to 5 or 6 known collectors.) It's grown since, but my latest draft includes ~57 private collectors fully interconnected with one another by about 34 coins (I only included coins that connected at least one new collector). Think "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" (though the furthest are 10 steps removed in my diagram below): [ATTACH=full]1566920[/ATTACH] Knowing where a collectors coins tended to flow afterward can be very useful for tracking provenance [I]forward[/I] in time from any known collection. For Pozzi, figuring out where they went mid-century is often the hard part. How long was it in Côte's collection and who got it next? Some of the ones below are ruled out because it went to Côte right away. So, I'm mostly just sharing these as general reference for anyone researching their own Pozzi's. A great many ended up in either the Lockett Collection (the largest single buyer from the Pozzi sale I'm aware of, who started collecting ancients with that sale), J.S. Wilkinson (of Malter 49, reportedly once known as "mini Pozzi," many of whose came from Lockett), or the Jacob Hirsch Estate (Hess-Leu 16-4-57 sale). (I've never seen a "named and priced" copy of the Pozzi catalog, but it would be a real treasure trove of info!) [USER=86498]@Terence Cheesman[/USER] 's coin wasn't in any of those three (for Hirsch it's hard to know, though, because only a fraction were published in the major catalog from Hess-Leu). I regularly check Pozzi coins against these: [B]- Lockett [/B](all the SNG images for Greek silver/gold, the sale catalogs are on rnumis.com for Greek AE, Roman, Byz; the Magna Graecia/Sicily are also in Steve Moulding's rnumis): [URL]http://www.sylloge-nummorum-graecorum.org/[/URL] [[URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6969812']he also bought coins[/URL] from Côte's Ratto sale!] [B]- J.S. Wilkinson [/B](Malter 49): unfortunately not online to my knowledge, but I'm always happy to check single coins for anyone; [B]- Jacob Hirsch[/B] (Hess-Leu [URL='https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p']16 April 1957[/URL], also later catalogs & many private sales): [URL]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9813075p[/URL] [I]These also had enough ex-Pozzi's to catch my attention (more than a few)[/I]: [B]- Tom Virzi[/B] (for Greek [B][I]Bronzes[/I][/B], Bank Leu [URL='https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/']Auktion 6[/URL], 8 May 1973): [URL]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bd6t5373794w/[/URL] [B]- George Bauer Coll. [/B](Edward Gans [URL='https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/']MBS 16[/URL], 19 April 1960): [URL]https://archive.org/details/mailbidsaleno16g00gans/[/URL] [B]- Olga H. Knoepke[/B] (Glendining [URL='https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/']10 December 1986[/URL]), who also had many Vlasto's according to my notes, but not the Cheesman specimen, nor either of my Pozzi's: [URL]https://archive.org/details/collectionofcoin00glen/[/URL] [B]- Robert O Lawson Collection[/B] (Superior, 3 June 1985), specifically [B][I]Judaeans [/I][/B]ex-Pozzi: [URL]https://archive.org/details/robertolawsoncol1985supe/[/URL] [B]- Rev. Edgar Rogers [/B]also acquired a bunch of the [B][I]Thessalian[/I][/B], some still in private hands, but severely muddled the references in his 1934 book on [I][URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Rogers%20Thessaly']The Copper Coinage of Thessaly[/URL][/I] (which actually also discussed many small AR too). - [B]Virgil Brand Collection[/B] in 10 parts (at least 3 or 4 w/ ancient); unfortunately I haven't seen the catalogs yet, but I've noticed many Pozzi's were off the market for ~60 years until Brand's coins were sold by Sotheby's 1982-1984. Of course, any major collection of Greek formed after 1921 will usually contain a few. Mark Salton had more than [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=salton+pozzi&category=1']the 4 that Stack's noticed[/URL] in their recent sales; I suspect many flowed through his Fixed Price Lists, but unfortunately they're hard to come by now (I've only got 2 of at least 33 FPL + 22 MBS!). There were also [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=pozzi+christopher+morcom&category=1']dozens in the Morcom Collections[/URL] of Greek AE (CNG 76 & e-auctions), many of them privately purchased by RKM, not in the Ars Classica but still often in the Boutin catalog. BCD, of course, had a bunch, often with intermediate provenance published (but not in the case of my Pelinna Diobol).[/QUOTE]
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