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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24598938, member: 26430"]Hopefully this thread will resume & keep going! I am working on a website now to illustrate exactly this kind of coin (I have about 60 posted, plus another 100 or so to go). I usually try to buy or bid on coins only when I know some kind of "lost & found" provenance. Including published/"plate coins." </p><p><br /></p><p>More generally, I think of the topic as "(modern) object biography," and my collection is about its role in "the history of numismatic knowledge."</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>I got hooked by this one. Corinth Stater:</b></p><p><br /></p><p>One of my first ever coin purchases, circa 1990 (~12 years old). It came with no provenance but I later discovered it was from the Dr. S. Pozzi (1846 – 1918) Collection, No. 1688 at the first sale of Naville Ars Classica in 1921 (and 3756 in the expanded Boutin volume): </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562826[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I was definitely hooked after that find!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Here's one of my more extensive ones. A late Byzantine bronze Tetarteron. </b></p><p><br /></p><p>CNG gave it as: "Reportedly ex "Goodacre's Byzantine Empire" (Downie-Lepczyk 70, 17 September 1986), lot 275 (not illustrated in catalog)."</p><p><br /></p><p>I now have the following, back to c. 1842:</p><ul> <li>This coin = ex Hugh George George Goodacre (1865-1952), on loan to Ashmolean Museum, Oxford (1952-1986) = Goodacre, Handbook (1933/1965) p. 312, 3 = Goodacre, "Rare..." (<i>NC</i>, 1931) 7 & Pl. XI, 11 = Goodacre, "Flat..." (<i>NC</i>, 1938) 1A</li> <li><i>This coin probably</i> = Ex Ducal House of Saxe-Coburg, Gotha, and collection of M. Curt de Bose (Curt von Bose, 1808-1884), Leipzig [prior to 1842] = Sabatier (1862) Pl. LXIV, 12, illustrated by L. Dardel = de Saulcy (1842) Pl. XIX, 7 = BMC Vandals (Wroth, 1911) p. 219, note 1 (cited).</li> </ul><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562822[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Well, "Goodacre" is the famous Hugh George George Goodacre (1865-1952). After his death, his heir(s) loaned his collection to Ashmolean Museum at Oxford University, where it remained until 1986 (in the famous Heberden Coin Room).</p><p><br /></p><p>As it turns out, Goodacre had published the coin twice in the <i>Numismatic Chronicle</i> (1931 & 1938), and again in <i>A Handbook of Coinage in the Byzantine Empire</i> (1933, reprinted in 1957), the standard reference for decades before Sear and Hendy and others.</p><p><br /></p><p>Interestingly, he used different sets of casts each time (plaster and/or sulfur), each with different flaws (in Europe casts were usually used for photography through mid-20th cent.):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562823[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Moreover, it appears that this coin was from the collection of M. Curt de Bose (Curt von Bose, 1808-1884), Leipzig published & illustrated by de Saulcy (1842, <i>Revue Numismatique</i>) “<a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030351307&view=1up&seq=402&skin=2021" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030351307&view=1up&seq=402&skin=2021" rel="nofollow">Catalogue Descriptif de Monnaies Byzantines Inédites.</a>..” and then served as the reverse model for the Leon Dardel drawing in Sabatier (1865). (And cited in BMC Vandals [Wroth, 1911: p. 219, note 1].)</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin (de Saulcy, 1842):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562824[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>This reverse (12, right rev.) and one of the two reverse [interlaced crosses] models (the other being the long-pedigreed DOC 56.1 = Karl Egon II, 1759, which serves as primary obv. model):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1562825[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>I already posted a couple in other threads today, found using strategies mentioned in the opening post:</b></p><p><br /></p><p>This brockage denarius from the Alba Longa Collection (already a nice provenance) was illustrated twice in the Schaefer notebooks, representing sales in 1981 & 1998:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/thorius-brockage-ed-jpg-jpg.1562762/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's one for which the provenance given was only to the <i>Sammlung</i> Dr. Peter Robert Franke (1926-2018) -- again, pretty good on its own! -- but that I recognized from the Morcom Collection. </p><p><br /></p><p>Morcom gave more information. Then, "brute-forcing" online auction catalogs from University Heidelberg (also linked at rNumis), I added more, finishing with:</p><ul> <li>Ex <a href="http://coinhoards.org/id/igch0216" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinhoards.org/id/igch0216" rel="nofollow">IGCH 216</a> (unknown findspot, 1887-1894) [<i>who dispersed them? Was it</i> Canon [Rev.] William Greenwell (1820-1918)?];</li> <li>Gustav Philipsen (Copenhagen, 1853-1925) Collection; Hirsch XXV (25 Nov 1909), 1300;</li> <li>Edward Perry Warren (1860-1928) Collection [Naville's "amateur étranger récemment décédé"?]; Naville Ars Classica XV (2 Jul 1930), Lot 809;</li> <li>Lt. Col. Reginal Keble Morcom (1877-1961) Collection;</li> <li>Christopher Morcom Collection; CNG MBS 76 (12 September 2007), Lot 562;</li> <li>Sammlung P.R. Franke (1926-2018); Solidus Auktion 108 (8 November 2022), Lot 137.</li> </ul><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/elis-olympia-e1trwh-jpg.1562765/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/elis-olympia-philipsen-warren-ars-classica-jpg.1562770/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24598938, member: 26430"]Hopefully this thread will resume & keep going! I am working on a website now to illustrate exactly this kind of coin (I have about 60 posted, plus another 100 or so to go). I usually try to buy or bid on coins only when I know some kind of "lost & found" provenance. Including published/"plate coins." More generally, I think of the topic as "(modern) object biography," and my collection is about its role in "the history of numismatic knowledge." [B]I got hooked by this one. Corinth Stater:[/B] One of my first ever coin purchases, circa 1990 (~12 years old). It came with no provenance but I later discovered it was from the Dr. S. Pozzi (1846 – 1918) Collection, No. 1688 at the first sale of Naville Ars Classica in 1921 (and 3756 in the expanded Boutin volume): [ATTACH=full]1562826[/ATTACH] I was definitely hooked after that find! [B]Here's one of my more extensive ones. A late Byzantine bronze Tetarteron. [/B] CNG gave it as: "Reportedly ex "Goodacre's Byzantine Empire" (Downie-Lepczyk 70, 17 September 1986), lot 275 (not illustrated in catalog)." I now have the following, back to c. 1842: [LIST] [*]This coin = ex Hugh George George Goodacre (1865-1952), on loan to Ashmolean Museum, Oxford (1952-1986) = Goodacre, Handbook (1933/1965) p. 312, 3 = Goodacre, "Rare..." ([I]NC[/I], 1931) 7 & Pl. XI, 11 = Goodacre, "Flat..." ([I]NC[/I], 1938) 1A [*][I]This coin probably[/I] = Ex Ducal House of Saxe-Coburg, Gotha, and collection of M. Curt de Bose (Curt von Bose, 1808-1884), Leipzig [prior to 1842] = Sabatier (1862) Pl. LXIV, 12, illustrated by L. Dardel = de Saulcy (1842) Pl. XIX, 7 = BMC Vandals (Wroth, 1911) p. 219, note 1 (cited). [/LIST] [ATTACH=full]1562822[/ATTACH] Well, "Goodacre" is the famous Hugh George George Goodacre (1865-1952). After his death, his heir(s) loaned his collection to Ashmolean Museum at Oxford University, where it remained until 1986 (in the famous Heberden Coin Room). As it turns out, Goodacre had published the coin twice in the [I]Numismatic Chronicle[/I] (1931 & 1938), and again in [I]A Handbook of Coinage in the Byzantine Empire[/I] (1933, reprinted in 1957), the standard reference for decades before Sear and Hendy and others. Interestingly, he used different sets of casts each time (plaster and/or sulfur), each with different flaws (in Europe casts were usually used for photography through mid-20th cent.): [ATTACH=full]1562823[/ATTACH] Moreover, it appears that this coin was from the collection of M. Curt de Bose (Curt von Bose, 1808-1884), Leipzig published & illustrated by de Saulcy (1842, [I]Revue Numismatique[/I]) “[URL='https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x030351307&view=1up&seq=402&skin=2021']Catalogue Descriptif de Monnaies Byzantines Inédites.[/URL]..” and then served as the reverse model for the Leon Dardel drawing in Sabatier (1865). (And cited in BMC Vandals [Wroth, 1911: p. 219, note 1].) This coin (de Saulcy, 1842): [ATTACH=full]1562824[/ATTACH] This reverse (12, right rev.) and one of the two reverse [interlaced crosses] models (the other being the long-pedigreed DOC 56.1 = Karl Egon II, 1759, which serves as primary obv. model): [ATTACH=full]1562825[/ATTACH] [B]I already posted a couple in other threads today, found using strategies mentioned in the opening post:[/B] This brockage denarius from the Alba Longa Collection (already a nice provenance) was illustrated twice in the Schaefer notebooks, representing sales in 1981 & 1998: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/thorius-brockage-ed-jpg-jpg.1562762/[/IMG] Here's one for which the provenance given was only to the [I]Sammlung[/I] Dr. Peter Robert Franke (1926-2018) -- again, pretty good on its own! -- but that I recognized from the Morcom Collection. Morcom gave more information. Then, "brute-forcing" online auction catalogs from University Heidelberg (also linked at rNumis), I added more, finishing with: [LIST] [*]Ex [URL='http://coinhoards.org/id/igch0216']IGCH 216[/URL] (unknown findspot, 1887-1894) [[I]who dispersed them? Was it[/I] Canon [Rev.] William Greenwell (1820-1918)?]; [*]Gustav Philipsen (Copenhagen, 1853-1925) Collection; Hirsch XXV (25 Nov 1909), 1300; [*]Edward Perry Warren (1860-1928) Collection [Naville's "amateur étranger récemment décédé"?]; Naville Ars Classica XV (2 Jul 1930), Lot 809; [*]Lt. Col. Reginal Keble Morcom (1877-1961) Collection; [*]Christopher Morcom Collection; CNG MBS 76 (12 September 2007), Lot 562; [*]Sammlung P.R. Franke (1926-2018); Solidus Auktion 108 (8 November 2022), Lot 137. [/LIST] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/elis-olympia-e1trwh-jpg.1562765/[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/elis-olympia-philipsen-warren-ars-classica-jpg.1562770/[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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