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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2299568, member: 19463"]zumbly is exacly right to the cent. The first ad I saw in1989 for the Black Sea Hoard fakes offered coins like the middle for $265. I bought mine as a fake for $5. The tip on these is that the eye holes on the helmet are holes not eyes. They do not have fine lines at top and bottom but some good coins do have a heavier bar above that does not curve to shape an eye. </p><p><br /></p><p>I was disappointed no one mentioned the N on the obverse of the left coin. Have you seen a letter in that position on other coins? Steve has. I bought it from Frank Robinson in 1989. It is not Black Sea Hoard fake style but it is still an odd coin. Genuine? I believe so. The ones with N I legend are rare. </p><p><br /></p><p>I was amazed no one mentioned the right coin having the reverse legend E retrograde. The E is reversed but the other letters read the same both ways so you can't tell on them. There is a very sharp countermark H which I suspect might be a Cyrillic N. I consider this a modern mark applied by a collector or a museum. I just hope it does not mean nyet (no). This coin was bought from Victor England ($75 on fixed price list, I believe) in 1989 according to my records but I can't find my copy of the list. I have several of his early lists but need to search more diligently to find this one. I can not remember if it was listed as E retrograde. The coin also differs in the way the radiating lines connect to the inner and outer rims while most (fake or real) leave a space and just float in that space. I have always had questions about the coin but it is not from the hoard. It may be ancient but barbarous. I would love to know the story of the countermark. Proving anything one way or another is not an easy task.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2299568, member: 19463"]zumbly is exacly right to the cent. The first ad I saw in1989 for the Black Sea Hoard fakes offered coins like the middle for $265. I bought mine as a fake for $5. The tip on these is that the eye holes on the helmet are holes not eyes. They do not have fine lines at top and bottom but some good coins do have a heavier bar above that does not curve to shape an eye. I was disappointed no one mentioned the N on the obverse of the left coin. Have you seen a letter in that position on other coins? Steve has. I bought it from Frank Robinson in 1989. It is not Black Sea Hoard fake style but it is still an odd coin. Genuine? I believe so. The ones with N I legend are rare. I was amazed no one mentioned the right coin having the reverse legend E retrograde. The E is reversed but the other letters read the same both ways so you can't tell on them. There is a very sharp countermark H which I suspect might be a Cyrillic N. I consider this a modern mark applied by a collector or a museum. I just hope it does not mean nyet (no). This coin was bought from Victor England ($75 on fixed price list, I believe) in 1989 according to my records but I can't find my copy of the list. I have several of his early lists but need to search more diligently to find this one. I can not remember if it was listed as E retrograde. The coin also differs in the way the radiating lines connect to the inner and outer rims while most (fake or real) leave a space and just float in that space. I have always had questions about the coin but it is not from the hoard. It may be ancient but barbarous. I would love to know the story of the countermark. Proving anything one way or another is not an easy task.[/QUOTE]
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