Fell off the wagon...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by zumbly, Jun 22, 2018.

  1. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I just fell off the wagon myself... It's a good feeling.
     
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  3. dougsmit

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    I have to say I believe you are overvaluing that reverse at $10 but the obverse makes up for it. It brings up a question some of us have faced. What do you do when a coin becomes available that fits your collection but does not exist in a grade you would prefer for your collection. I suppose we could note that the Alegandron coin is better so we could have entered a bidding war that would have sent JA's kids through college but I'm glad you got the coin anyway.

    I do not have a Laelianus and will not unless I find one like my Marius which was in a coin store in a place I was passing through clearly marked Claudius II and priced accordingly. The seller told me how he bought the ancients he had from a widow that came into his US only shop so I know he made a profit on it anyway. I might have had to tell him if he had come off as a nice guy.
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    More appropriate for this thread is my Volusian from Alexandria R5 (one or 2 known to Emmett) and great portrait but ruined by bronze disease. Yes, it has the best portrait I have seen on a Volusian from Alexandria. Yes, it was $10. Is it collectible? It is to me.
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    I have a few other coins that are possibly unique and feel that refusing them because of problems would be the same as throwing them in the trash. I could not do that. Thanks for saving Laelianus.
     
  4. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Very cool coin @zumbly congrats on such a nice and rare one.

    When it comes to wagons just be careful lest you jump on one and find it to be filled with Hussites.
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  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I fell off the carpentum a long time ago and never climbed back on!

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  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    You can show us some of these coins... we won't tell :angelic:.

    You're probably right, and I guess that leaves things open for me to eventually upgrade to a real $10 (or even $20 if we're allowed to dream!) reverse :D.
     
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  7. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the Laelianus!!!!! Love the portrait!!! I really want one of these someday. I do have a Marius:
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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    nice coin Z.. i don't have one of him yet, as with several others, but i'm inclined to think the "wagon" rather as a boat, cause i tend to go "overboard" rather than just falling off :troll:
     
  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

  10. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Wow ! Wow ! and Wow ! for that Laelianus portrait @zumbly !

    The dude is still on my list and will remain there for a while I guess as they don't come up so often.

    I can pile on with my Marius however

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    Marius, Antoninianus - Mint #2 : Köln or Mainz
    MP C M AVR MARIVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    VICT - ORIA AVG, Victory walking left, holding wreath and palm
    3,2 gr
    Ref : RIC # 17, RCV # 11124, Cohen # 21 (20Fr), Schulzki 7a

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  11. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Awesome new addition! Great obverse for a Laels. I 2nd @ominus1s sentiment. Since I started collecting I haven't gone that long without an acquisition. But I've certainly gone overboard on some!
    I have all Gaelic emperors, save for Domitianus ii (just waiting for that magical 3rd coin to show up) and Aureolis (though I don't know how to tell the difference between he and Postumus).

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    Postumus

    Romano-Gallic Emperor, AD
    260-269. Æ Irregular mint –
    "Mint II". 2nd bronze phase,
    first period, AD 264-266.
    Radiate, draped, and
    cuirassed bust right / Pax
    advancing left, holding
    branch and scepter

    CollageMaker Plus_2018461529237.png LAELIANUS

    269 CE. Antoninianus (19
    MM, 2.66 gm). Mint city II
    (Cologne). Radiate and
    cuirassed bust right / Victory
    advancing right, holding
    palm and wreath. RIC V 9;
    AGK 1c; Gilljam dies IX/54
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    Marius

    269CEAE Antoninianus,
    Colonia lint (Köln), 269
    18 mm / 2.47 g
    IMP C M AVR MARIVS AVG
    Radiate, cuirassed bust right
    R/ VICTORI - A AVG
    Victory standing facing, head
    left, palm in left hand, wreath in
    rightRIC V, 17; C.21, Elmer 638
     
  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Way to fall of the Wagon Z! I didn't even remember who that cat was until you mentioned the troops killing Postumus because he wouldn't let them wreck that city.

    Man, the wagon has been brutal this year...I'm even seeing it my dreams.

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  13. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    Nice coin to leap off of the wagon for.

    It must have been the week for wagon spills. It's been too long but I made a couple of Sicilian purchases today. I'll post pics when they come in.

    Excited to be back.
     
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  14. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice coins. The Gallic usurpers are an interesting group. I did luck into an Aureolus in an undescribed lot off eBay a while back - about $2. Although it says Postumus on the obverse, from what I can figure out, because of the reverse, it is Aureolus. It is one of my favorites in my collection:

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    Gallic Empire - Aureolus
    (usurper struck for Postumus)
    (267 A.D.)
    Milan Mint - Antoninianus

    IMP C POSTVMVS P F AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right / FIDES EQVIT, Fides seated left holding patera and standard; P in exergue.
    RIC 377, Cohen 59; Sear 10938.
    (1.91 grams / 18 mm)
     
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Thanks to Mike for linking to my page on Aureolus. I conside his name attached to coins little more than a ploy of dealers to sell coins. They are the issues in the name of Postumus from the Milan mint. Aureolus was the main man of Postumus in that city at that time but most emperors with branch mints had someone in charge so we have to decide where to draw that line. IMO, Vetranio issued coins with his own name on them as well as coins in the name of Constantius II. That places him in a special status which dealers abuse by listing the Constantius inscribed coins as Vetranios as well as those that read Vetranio. I prefer we limit that term to coins with Vetranio's name. I believe it would be better to call the Aureolus coins "Postumus, Milan mint" or "Postumus by Aureolus" but neither of those terms would sell a coin to collectors who want only one coin of each ruler. The Milan coins use reverses honoring the cavalry most having EQVIT of something similar on the reverse. My page shows two examples. Rarely, we see full legend, well struck examples. Most look like a siege coinage (which they were) and are very collectible IMO without making up labels to boost sales.

    Question: When Septimius Severus was out of town dealing with civil wars in the East, Plautianus (father of Plautilla) spent time in Rome playing like an Emperor which eventually led to his downfall. Should we label the issues in the name of Septimius from this time coins of Plautianus so each of you needed to buy one for your ruler set? That seems silly. It differs from Aureolus in some ways but not others. Where do we draw that line?
     
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