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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 6448430, member: 26430"]Thank you for that. It's my first time really looking into this type (i.e., GLORIA ROMANORVM; Emperor on horseback). I just checked RIC VIII and I see what you've described (I copied the Second Group part, RIC 195-200 at the end for anyone interested, though it's the earlier paragraphs from p. 239-240 that really got my attention).</p><p><br /></p><p>Reading the paragraphs at the start of the Rome section, Kent (p. 239-240, copied below, underlined in red) pointed out something important that I hadn't fully registered when looking at [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's example (RIC 197, I think), above, and others online: The ones in the name of Constantius all have pointed caps/helmets (in the tradition of 3rd-4th century coins, suggesting an "Eastern" or Persian enemy, <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/conservatori-claudius-ii-gothicus-antoninianus-captives/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/conservatori-claudius-ii-gothicus-antoninianus-captives/" rel="nofollow">although Goths were occasionally portrayed with pointed caps</a>), while the coins of Magnentius are all bareheaded enemies.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1256501[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>On this point, I'm reminded of [USER=109731]@otlichnik[/USER] 's article (2019, "Back in the Saddle Again...", linked earlier), and others', such as Failmezger's, regarding the different helmets and hairstyles of the FEL TEMP Fallen Horsemen. Perhaps Magnentius' bareheaded enemies are Germanic (as I seem to recall Caza & Failmezger identified the bareheaded fallen horsemen on the FTR series).</p><p><br /></p><p>It's always one of the most fascinating details to me about "barbarians, captives, and enemies" on Roman Imperial coins: Little cultural details like armor often suggest the identity of the tribal/ethnic group being depicted.</p><p><br /></p><p>For me, that revives my curiosity about [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's point. Were they bareheaded because Magnentius' coins were depicting Germanic tribes, or perhaps even meant to suggest the mercenaries of Constantius II? (I thought I recalled both sides using "barbarian" mercenaries heavily, Franks on the side Magnentius, Goths / Germanic on the side of Constantius, but I don't know much about the details.) Of course, one would need other kinds of evidence, so it's just speculation. But, to paraphrase Kent, the difference does seem "remarkable" and quite worth taking note of.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Below, just a section of RIC VIII, p. 265, identifying a few GLORIA ROMANORVM AE2s from Rome mint, including mine (195-6; and [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's Magnentius, RIC 197). "Cs1" is Constantius II's obverse; "M1" for Magnentius; "N2" Nepotian.)</p><p>[ATTACH]1256502[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 6448430, member: 26430"]Thank you for that. It's my first time really looking into this type (i.e., GLORIA ROMANORVM; Emperor on horseback). I just checked RIC VIII and I see what you've described (I copied the Second Group part, RIC 195-200 at the end for anyone interested, though it's the earlier paragraphs from p. 239-240 that really got my attention). Reading the paragraphs at the start of the Rome section, Kent (p. 239-240, copied below, underlined in red) pointed out something important that I hadn't fully registered when looking at [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's example (RIC 197, I think), above, and others online: The ones in the name of Constantius all have pointed caps/helmets (in the tradition of 3rd-4th century coins, suggesting an "Eastern" or Persian enemy, [URL='https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/conservatori-claudius-ii-gothicus-antoninianus-captives/']although Goths were occasionally portrayed with pointed caps[/URL]), while the coins of Magnentius are all bareheaded enemies. [ATTACH=full]1256501[/ATTACH] On this point, I'm reminded of [USER=109731]@otlichnik[/USER] 's article (2019, "Back in the Saddle Again...", linked earlier), and others', such as Failmezger's, regarding the different helmets and hairstyles of the FEL TEMP Fallen Horsemen. Perhaps Magnentius' bareheaded enemies are Germanic (as I seem to recall Caza & Failmezger identified the bareheaded fallen horsemen on the FTR series). It's always one of the most fascinating details to me about "barbarians, captives, and enemies" on Roman Imperial coins: Little cultural details like armor often suggest the identity of the tribal/ethnic group being depicted. For me, that revives my curiosity about [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's point. Were they bareheaded because Magnentius' coins were depicting Germanic tribes, or perhaps even meant to suggest the mercenaries of Constantius II? (I thought I recalled both sides using "barbarian" mercenaries heavily, Franks on the side Magnentius, Goths / Germanic on the side of Constantius, but I don't know much about the details.) Of course, one would need other kinds of evidence, so it's just speculation. But, to paraphrase Kent, the difference does seem "remarkable" and quite worth taking note of. (Below, just a section of RIC VIII, p. 265, identifying a few GLORIA ROMANORVM AE2s from Rome mint, including mine (195-6; and [USER=82549]@gsimonel[/USER] 's Magnentius, RIC 197). "Cs1" is Constantius II's obverse; "M1" for Magnentius; "N2" Nepotian.) [ATTACH]1256502[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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