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<p>[QUOTE="Plumbata, post: 3268878, member: 96864"]Thank you both! [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] The dotted border on the obverse is indeed faint, but it's basically all there. Thank you for the animated .gif and corrected images, I'll try to take some better natural light photos. The cracks are believable and largely clogged with crud, and under 60x magnification one can see the "layers" of patina near either side of the cracks which, assuming authenticity, would have been removed from the surfaces when cleaned. I have a hard time imagining how such a visual effect would have been faked, but forgers can be exceptionally clever. It looks like something 3 dimensional that has had a few layers of old paint removed, but the recessed areas where the paint remains displays the cross-section, if that analogy makes any sense. I'm sure I could scrape out the crud and clean-out the cracks but don't want to mess with it at this point.</p><p><br /></p><p>A more hopeful observation is the minor patina-smoothing in the fields, but lack of final-stage cleaning/smoothing in-between the dotted border on the reverse and mushroomed edge, or in the smaller areas like in-between Hephaestus' right arm and torso, where the surfaces seem a bit dirtier and rougher, but that isn't particularly useful diagnostically.</p><p><br /></p><p>As [USER=96900]@Lolli[/USER] shared they are from an eBay seller who is not a professional dealer. They are slowly selling off their collection, prior coins obtained from them seem fine and I get no "bad vibes" from them personally, but I was consciously aware that they themselves may have inadvertently bought fakes for their collection which are now being sold. Some of their Corinthian staters looked a bit sketchy to me. I also thought that it would have been crafted with transfer dies if it is a fake, but was unable to find any reported examples or discussion on someone's excellent blog detailing other Lipara fakes. There always has to be a "first" though, and certainly not all fakes are documented. And I should have noticed that the 2 coins were the same, I was too busy looking at the details that I didn't look at the overall coin. Couldn't see the forest for the trees. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Plumbata, post: 3268878, member: 96864"]Thank you both! [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] The dotted border on the obverse is indeed faint, but it's basically all there. Thank you for the animated .gif and corrected images, I'll try to take some better natural light photos. The cracks are believable and largely clogged with crud, and under 60x magnification one can see the "layers" of patina near either side of the cracks which, assuming authenticity, would have been removed from the surfaces when cleaned. I have a hard time imagining how such a visual effect would have been faked, but forgers can be exceptionally clever. It looks like something 3 dimensional that has had a few layers of old paint removed, but the recessed areas where the paint remains displays the cross-section, if that analogy makes any sense. I'm sure I could scrape out the crud and clean-out the cracks but don't want to mess with it at this point. A more hopeful observation is the minor patina-smoothing in the fields, but lack of final-stage cleaning/smoothing in-between the dotted border on the reverse and mushroomed edge, or in the smaller areas like in-between Hephaestus' right arm and torso, where the surfaces seem a bit dirtier and rougher, but that isn't particularly useful diagnostically. As [USER=96900]@Lolli[/USER] shared they are from an eBay seller who is not a professional dealer. They are slowly selling off their collection, prior coins obtained from them seem fine and I get no "bad vibes" from them personally, but I was consciously aware that they themselves may have inadvertently bought fakes for their collection which are now being sold. Some of their Corinthian staters looked a bit sketchy to me. I also thought that it would have been crafted with transfer dies if it is a fake, but was unable to find any reported examples or discussion on someone's excellent blog detailing other Lipara fakes. There always has to be a "first" though, and certainly not all fakes are documented. And I should have noticed that the 2 coins were the same, I was too busy looking at the details that I didn't look at the overall coin. Couldn't see the forest for the trees. :)[/QUOTE]
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