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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 8058370, member: 75937"]Your coin, assuming it is an as or dupondius and reads DIVA AVGVSTA FAVSTINA and not DIVA AVG FAVSTINA, would be RIC 1193B(a), issued in AD 143 for the dedication of the Temple to Diva Faustina BUT IT IS FAR FROM CLEAR WHETHER RIC 1192A and 1193B are actually different coins. It all comes down to the presence (or absence) of an incense box in Pietas' left hand and whether or not Cohen meant to distinguish coins based upon the type of altar or not (hence all the parentheses in the RIC listings for the coins). RIC 1192A = Cohen 241; RIC 1193B = Cohen 250.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1396550[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Let's turn to Cohen to compare:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1396557[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Cohen 241 says "candelabrum or altar" and "holding a box."</p><p>Cohen 250 is the same reverse type as 245, "garlanded and lighted altar" and "raising the right hand" but says nothing about an incense box.</p><p><br /></p><p>The question is what Cohen intended: did he mean for 241 to refer to the candelabrum altar type only and 250 to refer to the garlanded cylindrical altar? Or did he mean that 241 refers to either altar type and Pietas has an incense box and that 250 refers only to a type with a garlanded altar and Pietas has no incense box???</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally think it's the former and assign 1192A/Cohen 241 to the candelabrum type and 1193B/Cohen 250 to the garlanded cylindrical type and assume that Pietas is intended to have an incense box on both types (though on worn specimens it's often impossible to see).</p><p><br /></p><p>If the latter case, I think it's that Cohen 250 refers to a worn specimen of 241 on which the incense box isn't visible and it is simply erroneously described. In this case, both altar types would be RIC 1192A.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't have an example of that middle bronze in my collection; this is the closest I have.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-sr-pietas-avg-s-c-candelabrum-dupondius-veiled-jpg.1336448/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Faustina I, AD 138-140.</p><p>Roman orichalcum dupondius, 10.26 g, 27.4 mm, 6 h.</p><p>Rome, AD 140-41.</p><p>Obv: DIVA AVGVS-TA FAVSTINA, veiled and draped bust, right.</p><p>Rev: PIETAS AVG S C, Pietas, veiled, draped, standing left, dropping incense out of right hand over lighted "candelabrum-altar," left, and holding box in left hand.</p><p>Refs: RIC <a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.ant.1192Ab_dupondius" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.ant.1192Ab_dupondius" rel="nofollow">1192Ab</a>; BMCRE <a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_R-12541" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_R-12541" rel="nofollow">1472</a>; Cohen 241; Strack 1241; RCV --.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Oooh!! That's lovely![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 8058370, member: 75937"]Your coin, assuming it is an as or dupondius and reads DIVA AVGVSTA FAVSTINA and not DIVA AVG FAVSTINA, would be RIC 1193B(a), issued in AD 143 for the dedication of the Temple to Diva Faustina BUT IT IS FAR FROM CLEAR WHETHER RIC 1192A and 1193B are actually different coins. It all comes down to the presence (or absence) of an incense box in Pietas' left hand and whether or not Cohen meant to distinguish coins based upon the type of altar or not (hence all the parentheses in the RIC listings for the coins). RIC 1192A = Cohen 241; RIC 1193B = Cohen 250. [ATTACH=full]1396550[/ATTACH] Let's turn to Cohen to compare: [ATTACH=full]1396557[/ATTACH] Cohen 241 says "candelabrum or altar" and "holding a box." Cohen 250 is the same reverse type as 245, "garlanded and lighted altar" and "raising the right hand" but says nothing about an incense box. The question is what Cohen intended: did he mean for 241 to refer to the candelabrum altar type only and 250 to refer to the garlanded cylindrical altar? Or did he mean that 241 refers to either altar type and Pietas has an incense box and that 250 refers only to a type with a garlanded altar and Pietas has no incense box??? I personally think it's the former and assign 1192A/Cohen 241 to the candelabrum type and 1193B/Cohen 250 to the garlanded cylindrical type and assume that Pietas is intended to have an incense box on both types (though on worn specimens it's often impossible to see). If the latter case, I think it's that Cohen 250 refers to a worn specimen of 241 on which the incense box isn't visible and it is simply erroneously described. In this case, both altar types would be RIC 1192A. I don't have an example of that middle bronze in my collection; this is the closest I have. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-sr-pietas-avg-s-c-candelabrum-dupondius-veiled-jpg.1336448/[/IMG] Faustina I, AD 138-140. Roman orichalcum dupondius, 10.26 g, 27.4 mm, 6 h. Rome, AD 140-41. Obv: DIVA AVGVS-TA FAVSTINA, veiled and draped bust, right. Rev: PIETAS AVG S C, Pietas, veiled, draped, standing left, dropping incense out of right hand over lighted "candelabrum-altar," left, and holding box in left hand. Refs: RIC [URL='http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.ant.1192Ab_dupondius']1192Ab[/URL]; BMCRE [URL='https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_R-12541']1472[/URL]; Cohen 241; Strack 1241; RCV --. Oooh!! That's lovely![/QUOTE]
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