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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 5413480, member: 110350"]Thank you. I shouldn't even have bothered responding, but I didn't like the aspersions cast on my integrity. I have to prove to him that antiquities I bought from a reputable dealer between 1985 and 1993 were legally exported? Seriously? And then to be called a liar about the profession I practiced honorably for 35 years? I think it's really quite unfair. Not to mention that everything I posted was a very small artifact, at most a few inches in height or width. Not the kind of large statuary and frescos and vases, etc. that foreign countries ever tend to go after in the hands of U.S. owners, private or institutional.</p><p><br /></p><p>By the way, people can look up that discussion between Lolli and [USER=58462]@Nemo[/USER] about Lanz themselves and form their own opinion of Lolli's behavior.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even as to Royal Athena, anyone can hurl accusations of negligence -- "he should have known; he should have investigated further" -- against anyone, in any circumstances, very easily. But it's another thing entirely to be able to prove the conscious disregard of substantial risks necessary to prove the required recklessness or even gross negligence.</p><p><br /></p><p>To try to return this thread to a brighter note, here are some photos of my two other Attic black-figure lekythoi, acquired from a different dealer. Both, like the one I posted above, date from ca. 525-500 BCE. All of these types of lekythoi were made for export in the pottery district of Athens (the Kerameikos district, best-known for the ancient cemetery), and most have been found in graves in ancient cemeteries, where they served a votive purpose.</p><p><br /></p><p>The first lekythos shows two "pygmies" with spears hunting a rooster, and is 3.5" (8.9 cm.) high. (In case anyone's wondering, I have documentation showing that it was purchased from an art dealer in Philadelphia on August 30, 1970 -- 2 1/2 months before the enactment of the 1970 UNESCO Convention on November 14, 1970, and 13 years before that Convention was implemented by the USA. Am I going to post that documentation if people demand it? No.)</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234676[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234678[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234679[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The second lekythos is 4 1/4" tall (10.8 cm.), and shows a scene of a soldier's departure. He is on horseback with a pelt shield on his back,, with nude attendants before and behind holding his javelins. On the shoulder, a hound pursues a hare. The vase belongs to the "Hound and Hare" Group of ancient Greek vases, a subset of the "Little Lion" Class.* The dealer provided me with documentation demonstrating that this vase, as part of a larger group of artifacts, has been in the USA since the late 1940s. Again, please don't anybody demand that I post the documentation, because I won't.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234720[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234721[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234722[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1234723[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>* See <a href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-L%C3%B6wen-Klasse" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-L%C3%B6wen-Klasse" rel="nofollow">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-Löwen-Klasse</a>, as translated:</p><p>"The Little Lion Class . . . is a class of Attic - black-figure lekythoi that were produced in the first quarter of the 5th century BC. The small lekythoi are characterized by a tapering body that is clearly curved inwards above the foot. The class was named after the depiction of small lions on the shoulders of lekythoi but other animals such as dogs and rabbits were also depicted." See also the Beazley Archive Pottery Database at the Classical Art Research Centre of Oxford University (<a href="https://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/XDB/ASP/searchOpen.asp#aHeader" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/XDB/ASP/searchOpen.asp#aHeader" rel="nofollow">https://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/XDB/ASP/searchOpen.asp#aHeader</a>), which yields 118 results for a search for "Little Lion" Class vases.</p><p><br /></p><p>The painters of the vases of the Little Lion class were the successors of the Edinburgh painter . The main representative of the class is the Sappho painter other pieces can be assigned to the Diosphos painter , and there are also other stylistically related, unnamed painters."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 5413480, member: 110350"]Thank you. I shouldn't even have bothered responding, but I didn't like the aspersions cast on my integrity. I have to prove to him that antiquities I bought from a reputable dealer between 1985 and 1993 were legally exported? Seriously? And then to be called a liar about the profession I practiced honorably for 35 years? I think it's really quite unfair. Not to mention that everything I posted was a very small artifact, at most a few inches in height or width. Not the kind of large statuary and frescos and vases, etc. that foreign countries ever tend to go after in the hands of U.S. owners, private or institutional. By the way, people can look up that discussion between Lolli and [USER=58462]@Nemo[/USER] about Lanz themselves and form their own opinion of Lolli's behavior. Even as to Royal Athena, anyone can hurl accusations of negligence -- "he should have known; he should have investigated further" -- against anyone, in any circumstances, very easily. But it's another thing entirely to be able to prove the conscious disregard of substantial risks necessary to prove the required recklessness or even gross negligence. To try to return this thread to a brighter note, here are some photos of my two other Attic black-figure lekythoi, acquired from a different dealer. Both, like the one I posted above, date from ca. 525-500 BCE. All of these types of lekythoi were made for export in the pottery district of Athens (the Kerameikos district, best-known for the ancient cemetery), and most have been found in graves in ancient cemeteries, where they served a votive purpose. The first lekythos shows two "pygmies" with spears hunting a rooster, and is 3.5" (8.9 cm.) high. (In case anyone's wondering, I have documentation showing that it was purchased from an art dealer in Philadelphia on August 30, 1970 -- 2 1/2 months before the enactment of the 1970 UNESCO Convention on November 14, 1970, and 13 years before that Convention was implemented by the USA. Am I going to post that documentation if people demand it? No.) [ATTACH=full]1234676[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1234678[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1234679[/ATTACH] The second lekythos is 4 1/4" tall (10.8 cm.), and shows a scene of a soldier's departure. He is on horseback with a pelt shield on his back,, with nude attendants before and behind holding his javelins. On the shoulder, a hound pursues a hare. The vase belongs to the "Hound and Hare" Group of ancient Greek vases, a subset of the "Little Lion" Class.* The dealer provided me with documentation demonstrating that this vase, as part of a larger group of artifacts, has been in the USA since the late 1940s. Again, please don't anybody demand that I post the documentation, because I won't. [ATTACH=full]1234720[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1234721[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1234722[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1234723[/ATTACH] * See [URL='https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-L%C3%B6wen-Klasse']https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-Löwen-Klasse[/URL], as translated: "The Little Lion Class . . . is a class of Attic - black-figure lekythoi that were produced in the first quarter of the 5th century BC. The small lekythoi are characterized by a tapering body that is clearly curved inwards above the foot. The class was named after the depiction of small lions on the shoulders of lekythoi but other animals such as dogs and rabbits were also depicted." See also the Beazley Archive Pottery Database at the Classical Art Research Centre of Oxford University ([URL]https://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/XDB/ASP/searchOpen.asp#aHeader[/URL]), which yields 118 results for a search for "Little Lion" Class vases. The painters of the vases of the Little Lion class were the successors of the Edinburgh painter . The main representative of the class is the Sappho painter other pieces can be assigned to the Diosphos painter , and there are also other stylistically related, unnamed painters."[/QUOTE]
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