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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 5412808, member: 96900&quot;]&quot;<font size="4"><b><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/donnaml.110350/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/members/donnaml.110350/">DonnaML</a>&quot;&nbsp; Attacking some personally is generally a bad sign.</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>And I am not convinced that you are a lawyer in internet everboy can pretend everything without prove. A real lawyer would not have relied only on the informations given by one member here which can not be verified, a real lawyer at least in Germany would try to get the point of view of the other party and if possible witnesses to and then asking for evidence and then trying to reconstruct what happend and then deciding . Only hearing one side and believing everything is not smart and with this attacking another person.</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>This is unfair and I would have defended any other dealer or aution house too because I hate injustice!!</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>And what was done there was all vs Lanz, without really knowing what really happend, even small differences in details or not mentioned details can make a huge difference. If you would be really a lawyer you should know this, you do not act like a lawyer so I do not believe you.</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p>One reason why only so little ancient objects and coins are repatriated is that the origin country can not know of the existence of looted objects till they enter the market and then proving that they have been looted recently from their country is difficult and often pretty much impossible especially for Greece and Roman objects which be found in many counties which were part of the ancient Roman and Greek empire.</p><p>But all here can ask themselves where all this new ancient coins and objects without proper pedigree and without export licence come from, if finds in most of this countries belong since a long time only to Government.</p><p>Most of the sized objects were stolen from museums or ex Beccina or Medici archieve, and of these stolen and looted objects exist pictures and so they can be easily identified.</p><p><br /></p><p>You can ask yourself if I am really Lanz and if he would write something like this which is bad for business.</p><p><br /></p><p>I assume that your objects have no proper documents, verifyable pedigree prior 1970 or export licence country of origin, if yes I would like to see.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course legal objects without pedigree can exist too if documents got lost.</p><p>We had 2 world wars and in some areas natural disasters occured or other incidences where documents could be destroyed. We have to ask oursef for how many objects this is really true.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is well possible that Athena Gallery bought most or all of these objects in good faith, if they bought themself form a source which they assumed to be reliable and so they did not check pedigree and documents as they better should have done. Bad objects can be whitewashed if being auctioned or sold by reputable dealer or auciton house.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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