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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;arnoldoe, post: 2780890, member: 72712&quot;]The loss at battle of Adrinople would have been nothing to the Roman army in earlier times, look at something like the Cimbrian War, The Roman Empire used to be able to take a loss and just go on as if nothing had happened, if you look at a list of Roman battles, the republic seems to lose more battles than it won up until the 1st Century BC</p><p><br /></p><p>In the Cimbrian War:</p><ul> <li>1st battle- Battle of Norea- 24,000 Dead Romans</li> <li>3 years later- Battle of the River Rhone- Another roman army is raised to repel the Cimbri- but he loses swiftly and returns to Rome in disgrace with high casualties.</li> </ul><p>107 BC </p><ul> <li>2 years later, in 107 BC another tribal confederation of peoples, the Helvetii ally with the Cimbri + Teutons + proceed to ambush a Roman army and kill or capture most of them as well as killing the Roman Consul Lucius Cassius Longinus, + capturing 4,000 Romans</li> </ul><p>what does Rome do after that, they just raise another army.</p><ul> <li>At the Battle of Arausio The Roman Consul + proconsul didn’t get along and made separate camps letting the Cimbri fight one half of the army before going up against the other, the Romans ended up backed up against a river where they were massacred. It may have been worst defeat in roman history with up to 80,000 soldiers + 40,000 camp followers killed, (supposedly only 200 survived including the commanders) </li> </ul><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Upon his return to Rome, Caepio was tried for &quot;the loss of his army&quot;&nbsp; Caepio was convicted, and was given the harshest sentence allowable: he was stripped of his citizenship, forbidden fire and water within eight hundred miles of Rome, nominally fined 15,000 talents (about 825,000 lb) of gold, and forbidden to see or speak to his friends or family until he had left for exile.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>After this Rome was basically defenseless - but luckily for Rome the Cimbri went off to deal with another tribe...</p><p><br /></p><p>but at this point Rome had experienced losses about 5-10 times worse than Adrianople </p><p><br /></p><p>But then Rome brought in its best general Marius, who reformed the roman army + in 2 separate battles destroyed both tribes.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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