Fake seller thread

Jinx...doh! You beat me to it!

 

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patinating it just 1 part. you gotta make the coin- have it look genuine there- use the right metal, have it pitted( is there a solution to create cracks and pits?

and like i said even if you use a solution, how do you duplicate 3 shades of corrosion so convincingly? many of my coins have dark brown, brown, green, dark green , even blueish green. I can imagine its alot of work making it look just right.

I mean maybe im wrong but can you give me some examples?

 

Cracks and pits would be pretty darn easy to make. With all due respect, you may want to research this a little instead of just typing your thoughts.

 

Google my friend. I would do it for ya but have 2 dirty baby butts to change.

 

I have done research and you cant duplicate some cracks with casting and make it look right.

I may not be an expert but I at least have learned that.
read this

http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/fakesgiveaways.htm

also, evidence of tooling gives fakes away

 

Ok. Bums clean. Good read. Ty. Though it makes the same point I am trying to about not assuming. But here is one of many articles to my point. 3rd paragraph down. They are making fake Constantius ii, Constans and Valens. Some of the most common and inexpensive coins out there...and raking in thousands! It's a business and, unfortunately for us, business is booming for them.

http://www.catbikes.ch/coinstuff/coins-fakes.htm

 

interesting read-ty.

 

This is from the sellers description of one their coins

Does eBay require you give your phone number to seller if you want to return an item?

 

These people seem to have another selling account:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/pappas_pou...NnUAAOSwk1pagm0J&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

The similarities are not just the fakes sold but the way in which they are presenting and describing them.

 

I believe just the opposite is true.

Creating a coin that looks worn, or artificially aging a fake, is a very common practice intended to camouflage signs of the coin being fake.

Also, and importantly, high grade coins are more likely to pass through the hands of experts who are far more likely to detect inauthenticity.

While fakes can be found in every cost bracket of this hobby, the bread and butter of fraudsters seems to be the low end coins which can be foisted onto eBay customers who lack adequate experience to know the difference and who assume that there is inadequate profit to be made faking low-end coins. It's much harder to produce a fake that is good enough to pass through ancient coin auction houses undetected.

Many of the examples linked in the first post of this thread fall into another category altogether. They are so bad, so poorly done (style-wise, particularly), that they may not have been produced with the intent to deceive but as tourist trinkets. It is unfortunate that such coins often end up on eBay, sold to uneducated buyers by unscrupulous sellers such as the notorious "noahs_ark_usa".

It is easy to artificially age a coin.

Yes, it is worth their time and it's why there is an abundance of low-end fakes on eBay.

Some fakes are struck (or pressed) rather than cast, so flan cracks alone do not ensure authenticity. Some fakes are even struck onto ancient coin culls, so the metal may be correct.

Tooling, when present, is generally found on coins which are authentic, not on fakes (unless by "tooling" you mean modification of a wax intermediary prior casting a fake made from an authentic coin).

Yes, here are some examples: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=55135.0;all

The coins shown there are all modern fakes. Notice the very realistic multi-hued patinas, flan cracks, etc.

Here's another illuminating Forum thread showing some more fakes of common coins:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=53852.0

 

I will trot out this image again. I put this montage together (click to enlarge) which was a sample of the coins for sale from a single dealer. I just picked out single examples of coins from his offerings to illustrate the die linkages.




These are created (apparently struck) from modern dies. As a result you don't get matching flans etc. as with casts. You get flan cracks as you would on other struck coins. I have even seen some where they were tumbled in Rock tumblers to create artificial wear.

Some coins are then silvered. Some are chemically toned. Some have a mix of the above and are then encrusted with dirt and then thrown in with uncleaned coin batched to salt them.

These were being sold into the uncleaned supply chain at around Eur 5 each. The cost of production, even including the chemical toning, dirt application must mean that even this Eur 5 is worth the effort. At one point they were being offered to dealers in batched of 1,000.

 

That was from 2009, and they are still being sold.

 

do you think these are convincing? I havent been doing this that long and i already can kinda tell they are fake. the flag and the flag pole for one- totally not genuine.

talk about a red flag LOL

 

I would be very interested to hear how you have come to this conclusion so rapidly. These are good enough in isolation to fool many as they are created (proably hubbed) from real coins. They have been greedy and mixed dies from different mints and across emperors. A correctly paired coin in isolation is much more convincing. They do not feel quite right in hand though.

 

ignore that- i copied and pasted the wrong link. sorry.

 

Are you intentionally spamming us? This kind of stuff is not allowed!

 

whoops sorry. i posted the wrong link

i tried to delete the reply but there doesnt seem to be an option for that. Is there a delete button im missing here?

 

This is the right link

This seller looks suspicious but id like to hear from the experts


the julius caesar coin for one

the elephants eyes

fake or real?


https://www.ebay.com/sch/ranche_0/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

 

I'm no expert and I'm out. Don't let the door hit ya...

 

it was an accident okay? geesh

i was sending a link to a friend and i copied the wrong link