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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 540975, member: 15309"]My opinion about NT vs AT is essentially that I don't care as long as the coin is attractive. I am forced to care however because others care. As long as the numismatic community places a stigma on AT coins, those coins will be severely impacted in a negative way with regards to price. So although I don't care how the toning got there, I do care about my money which forces me to care about the originality of the toning.</p><p><br /></p><p>My idea has always been that the TPG's should encapsulate every toned coin (AT or NT) with the assigned grade. If they feel the toning is in anyway questionable, they can place the term QT (questionable toning) on the slab and then let the market determine the price. I don't believe at all that a coin should just be labeled "GENUINE" because the TPG thinks the toning might be artificial. They don't know the source of the toning and the TPG's state that toning does not affect the grade of the coin. We know they don't follow this philosophy because we see rainbow toned coins market graded all the time. I agree mostly with Doug that any well done AT cannot be differentiated from NT, even by the leading experts in numismatics.</p><p><br /></p><p>With regards to how many coin doctors routinely fool the TPG's, I don't think it is an extensive group. While I agree these doctors do exist and some are excellent at their trade, it is important to recognize that simply not submitting some of their coins because they know what the TPG's consider "market acceptable" should not raise their success rate. They still need to move the coins they didn't submit. Do you really feel that placing coins in a Raymond Wayte holder and storing it in an environment conducive to toning is AT? IMO, the numismatic community can't even agree what constitutes AT. Some think that improper storage is AT, others think it is related to intent, others think it must require a catalyst such as heat before it qualifies. </p><p><br /></p><p>Trying to determine the originality of a coin's toning is pretty much a fool's errand IMO.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 540975, member: 15309"]My opinion about NT vs AT is essentially that I don't care as long as the coin is attractive. I am forced to care however because others care. As long as the numismatic community places a stigma on AT coins, those coins will be severely impacted in a negative way with regards to price. So although I don't care how the toning got there, I do care about my money which forces me to care about the originality of the toning. My idea has always been that the TPG's should encapsulate every toned coin (AT or NT) with the assigned grade. If they feel the toning is in anyway questionable, they can place the term QT (questionable toning) on the slab and then let the market determine the price. I don't believe at all that a coin should just be labeled "GENUINE" because the TPG thinks the toning might be artificial. They don't know the source of the toning and the TPG's state that toning does not affect the grade of the coin. We know they don't follow this philosophy because we see rainbow toned coins market graded all the time. I agree mostly with Doug that any well done AT cannot be differentiated from NT, even by the leading experts in numismatics. With regards to how many coin doctors routinely fool the TPG's, I don't think it is an extensive group. While I agree these doctors do exist and some are excellent at their trade, it is important to recognize that simply not submitting some of their coins because they know what the TPG's consider "market acceptable" should not raise their success rate. They still need to move the coins they didn't submit. Do you really feel that placing coins in a Raymond Wayte holder and storing it in an environment conducive to toning is AT? IMO, the numismatic community can't even agree what constitutes AT. Some think that improper storage is AT, others think it is related to intent, others think it must require a catalyst such as heat before it qualifies. Trying to determine the originality of a coin's toning is pretty much a fool's errand IMO.[/QUOTE]
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