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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Leadfoot, post: 540953, member: 2972&quot;]What I meant by that last paragraph is that I think you&#039;re rationalizing what you view as a hopeless situation.&nbsp; I think you believe that we numismatists stand no chance of being able to distinguish between an AT and an NT coin, and your &quot;rationalization&quot; is that you will take a position that it doesn&#039;t matter.&nbsp; If the coin is pretty, the coin is pretty.&nbsp; Thus the ends (pretty) justify the means (AT).</p><p><br /></p><p>While I tend to agree with the premise (we&#039;ll never really know), I don&#039;t agree with the conclusion (I don&#039;t care NT-vs-AT, i.e. the ends justify the means) -- and I realize fully that this leaves a world full of grey (i.e. QT) coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for your second question.... I would only be guessing, but my sense is that the docs figure out pretty quick what works and what doesn&#039;t and I would suspect they all do better than 25%.&nbsp; I know of at least one individual that has toning coins in old Wayte Raymond albums down to a science, and has a much, much higher acceptance rate than 25%.&nbsp; The evidence of their early handiwork is posted in other forums for all to see.&nbsp; I have heard of individuals who do album and envelope toning at a virtual assembly line rate and use others to submit their coins and cover their tracks.&nbsp; These people aren&#039;t fools -- they are both smart and nefarious: a dangerous combination.</p><p><br /></p><p>Respectfully submitted as MHO...Mike[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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