Fake or real

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Newbie2015, Aug 7, 2020.

  1. Newbie2015

    Newbie2015 Member

    I have a 1903 morgan that weighs 26.79. Is it fake since morgans shouls weigh 26.72 unless circulated then it may be less.
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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Please help us to help you, by posting pics. ;)
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  4. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Supporter! Supporter

    The weight of a Morgan Dollar is 26.730 grams +/- .097 so it should be between 26.633 and 26.827 grams The weight of your coin is well within the normal range. Weight is not the only way to determine it's authenticity. There's many indicators but we can't help you without photos of the coin. Please post clear photos of both sides of the entire coin. Take the pics from directly over the coin and not at an angle. Thank you. :)
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  5. toned_morgan

    toned_morgan Toning Lover

    Pictures please
  6. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    A 1903 Morgan is quite a desirable date. It is rare to find one in circulated condition. Most were destroyed and the surviving 1903’s were stored in a bank vault for decades so authentic 1903’s are typically uncirculated. Is your 1903 Morgan circulated? Can you figure out how to post a photo?
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That's normal and well within specs. Please post photos of both sides in full size mode.
  8. Newbie2015

    Newbie2015 Member

    Thank you all for the responses. Many of you have asked for pics. So here are pics of the coin.

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  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I believe you have a genuine 1903 Morgan.
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  10. Newbie2015

    Newbie2015 Member

    Thank you so much. Do you know what it can be worth?
  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That's as real as it can be.
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  12. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    High XF to low AU.....$45 retail should be in the ballpark.
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  13. Newbie2015

    Newbie2015 Member

    Thank you.
  14. Tj Shreves

    Tj Shreves New Member

    need some advice! my mother in law gave me 5 coins and told me to take them to a shop and sell them. i did, while in the coin shop, i watched them weigh the coins and put this little blue looking light on them. the coins were in hard cases with pf 70 ultra cameo. they never opened the cases in front of me. told me they were worth so much and offered to buy them. i have no idea how coin collecting works, or how there tested. i took the check and deposited it into my bank. the next day to coin company showed up at my home unannounced telling me this gold coin was fake, told me they contacted my bank. i told them i needed to do some research before i can make any decisions. they said after i left, they opened the case and found out it was fake.
    what do i do, i dont know if they opened the case and switched coins, i dont even know if they paid me the right amount of money for said coins, i literally know nothing about this subject. can someone please shoot some advice? please?
  15. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Sadly, I hear your desperation. A couple of things. You have posted this in another persons thread. That will limit your replies. I know you probably didn’t know how to go about it, but look at the top of the page and you will see a tab that says “post new thread”..... I feel bad for you and since you are already here I’ll just say that I wish you would have posted here before you sold. At this point, all you can do is be reactive. Did you photograph the questionable coin before you sold it? Did you sell to a reputable coin dealer, pawn shop or someone else? The cases you mention are sealed to protect the coin and are quite a chore to get into. Usually those plastic cases are an indication of authenticity but they have been known to be counterfeited. Again, I can sense your pain and desperation. Take a deep breath. Figure out how to start your own thread and if perchance you have a photo, please include that.
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  16. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Good thing you are looking for advice. Dealers are supposed to know what they are doing, not come after people after a deal is done. There are people here that should have some thoughts for you.
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  17. GH#75

    GH#75 Well-Known Member

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  18. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I am not sure what to do if they stopped payment on the check after the deal is done and they have your coins...file a police report for theft?
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  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    If the coins were in sealed PCGS or NGC slabs, once they opened them, they have taken a big step when they crack out the coins. You are right. The coin could have been switched.

    With no photos available, there is little we can do for you. If the dealer belongs to the American Numismatic Association, you could lodge a complaint. If the cases goes in your favor, most dealers don’t want the bad publicity of getting kicked out of the organization. If they belong to the PNG, Professional Numismatics Guild, you might have more leverage.

    This is a difficult situation, especially since you know nothing about the business. I wish I could be more helpful.
  20. thomas mozzillo

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  21. GH#75

    GH#75 Well-Known Member

    I'd tell him he'd have to sue you in a court of law because he had already bought the coins and took them out of the holders. He has no way of proving that the coins weren't switched after he opened the holders.
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