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<p>[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 8048608, member: 110226"]Here's a coin that I came across on eBay today, one that was sold on August 23, 2021.</p><p><br /></p><p>The seller, based in Germany (this is not Lanz), has a dubious feedback record of 96.2%. Looking at his other offerings, I am inclined to say this coin is a fake, based on his record. The seller is doktorka-333, and he has been a seller since 2016.</p><p><br /></p><p>For this coin, there are three photos:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1393456[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1393457[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1393458[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>As can be clearly seen in these photos, there is a break at the edge that reveals a copper or base metal core, with a silver upper layer. The style of the coin is very crude, nothing that the Syracuse Mint would produce. The weight of the coin is given as 16.77 grams.</p><p><br /></p><p>The listing also includes the following information, translated from German:</p><p><br /></p><p>"This auction includes listing of a rare silver tetra drachm - description below and all professional description stems from internet professional site. I've padded for better info."</p><p><br /></p><p>Then, there is a photo of a different, and genuine coin:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1393460[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Followed by its description, again translated, seemingly from a catalog or auction as far as I can tell:</p><p><br /></p><p>"Sicily - Syracuse</p><p>(Fifth century BC)</p><p>Hieron I, tyrant of Syracuse (478-467 avant J.-C.)</p><p>The government of Syracuse, in 733 BC. Was founded by Corinthian settlers, was from 485 BC. Von Gelon, tyrant of Gela since 491 BC It was a victory Olympic Games 488 BC. BC (chariot race) and remembered the victory through the the right to mint from Syracuse while the reverse was occupied by the head of Arethusa. This nymph, in mythology, resident in Ortygia Island, opposite the city of Syracuse, in the shape of a freshwater fountain (Virgil Eclog. IV.1, X.1). Alpheus, a satyr representing a river god in the Peloponnese, near Phylace in Arcadia, sued Arethusa. In his prayer, Artemis turned it into a river and allowed the sea nymph to escape the satyr. This legend allows to explain a hydro-geographical phenomenon: an underground river flows under the sea leading to Ortigia island. 480 BC The Carthaginians invaded Sicily, but were defeated by Gelon near Himera. In 478, Gelon died and his nephew Hiero followed him."</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, the following information, translated, with some odd wording, probably due to Google Translate, which can produce odd and even amusing translations:</p><p><br /></p><p>"All promotions are voluntary offers for the customer. For this reason I do not accept returns.</p><p><br /></p><p>My coins have been in my possession for a very long time. they came from Paris a long time ago. For security reasons, I am not sure whether all coins are correct for all coins that I offer as spare parts or as defective coins. and when many of these coins are very interesting and are sold for a lot more money at various auctions. many coins used to be my property, so that they were now sold at a world auction for much more than I sold them."</p><p><br /></p><p>All of the above verbiage seems to be a round about way to sell a fake coin, one that sold for €120. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, what's the consensus? </p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 8048608, member: 110226"]Here's a coin that I came across on eBay today, one that was sold on August 23, 2021. The seller, based in Germany (this is not Lanz), has a dubious feedback record of 96.2%. Looking at his other offerings, I am inclined to say this coin is a fake, based on his record. The seller is doktorka-333, and he has been a seller since 2016. For this coin, there are three photos: [ATTACH=full]1393456[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1393457[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1393458[/ATTACH] As can be clearly seen in these photos, there is a break at the edge that reveals a copper or base metal core, with a silver upper layer. The style of the coin is very crude, nothing that the Syracuse Mint would produce. The weight of the coin is given as 16.77 grams. The listing also includes the following information, translated from German: "This auction includes listing of a rare silver tetra drachm - description below and all professional description stems from internet professional site. I've padded for better info." Then, there is a photo of a different, and genuine coin: [ATTACH=full]1393460[/ATTACH] Followed by its description, again translated, seemingly from a catalog or auction as far as I can tell: "Sicily - Syracuse (Fifth century BC) Hieron I, tyrant of Syracuse (478-467 avant J.-C.) The government of Syracuse, in 733 BC. Was founded by Corinthian settlers, was from 485 BC. Von Gelon, tyrant of Gela since 491 BC It was a victory Olympic Games 488 BC. BC (chariot race) and remembered the victory through the the right to mint from Syracuse while the reverse was occupied by the head of Arethusa. This nymph, in mythology, resident in Ortygia Island, opposite the city of Syracuse, in the shape of a freshwater fountain (Virgil Eclog. IV.1, X.1). Alpheus, a satyr representing a river god in the Peloponnese, near Phylace in Arcadia, sued Arethusa. In his prayer, Artemis turned it into a river and allowed the sea nymph to escape the satyr. This legend allows to explain a hydro-geographical phenomenon: an underground river flows under the sea leading to Ortigia island. 480 BC The Carthaginians invaded Sicily, but were defeated by Gelon near Himera. In 478, Gelon died and his nephew Hiero followed him." Finally, the following information, translated, with some odd wording, probably due to Google Translate, which can produce odd and even amusing translations: "All promotions are voluntary offers for the customer. For this reason I do not accept returns. My coins have been in my possession for a very long time. they came from Paris a long time ago. For security reasons, I am not sure whether all coins are correct for all coins that I offer as spare parts or as defective coins. and when many of these coins are very interesting and are sold for a lot more money at various auctions. many coins used to be my property, so that they were now sold at a world auction for much more than I sold them." All of the above verbiage seems to be a round about way to sell a fake coin, one that sold for €120. So, what's the consensus? Thanks[/QUOTE]
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