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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 3243667, member: 96900&quot;]&quot;If you practice with the fakes you may learn the style of an individual counterfeiter.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>The style of counterfeits will not be that helpful but if you know that most fakes from modern dies are pressed and how to detect pressed fakes (by knowing the difference between pressed and struck coins) you can easily aviod many fakes from maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany different counterfeiters!!!!!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;Ute Wartenberg explained that the best way to recognize counterfeits is to practice with the real coins, not with the fakes.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not think that this is true and complete nonsense !</p><p>I can better authenticate coins than many dealers and experts of auction houses who have handled so many thousand coins within the years in hand.</p><p>And it is not like I would be a genius or something special I only know what to look for and others can learn the same if they invest some time to study fake coins and some time to study authentic coins, the more talent the less time is required.</p><p>To get beyond this level is of course very difficult and this is my problem because the ones who are beyond this level are not in such boards or forums and will not share their knowledge and skills with everyone.</p><p>I can very often authenticate coin I am not familar with easily because I know the typical problems of fakes and almost all fakes do have this problems more or less.</p><p><br /></p><p>Fakes are always in a certain way different from authentic coins!</p><p>So it helps of course if you are familiar with ancient coins.</p><p>Fakes will be often altered to hide problems, which is already a warn singnal if a coin is altered. Or stupidity of forgers impossible die links (different mints and emperors) or coin hoards with for example aurei of different emperors but all coins from one emperor from one very fresh pair of dies and no die links to authentic examples. Or they place fakes into coin hoards before they were placed at market and this fakes do not always make sense in this hoards (dates of the coins or geography ...). If they use ancient coins as planchets it can be detected , too. Artificial patina is different than authentic patina so bronze fakes can be detected easily if the original patina is still there...</p><p><br /></p><p>There are 3 different kind of fakes:</p><p><br /></p><p>Cast fakes have specific problems and can be easily detected in pictures and in hand if you know what to look for.</p><p><br /></p><p>Electrotype fakes have specific problems and can be easily detected in pictures and in hand if you know what to look for.</p><p><br /></p><p>Transfer die fakes and fakes from recutted transfer dies have specific problems and can be easily detected in pictures and in hand if you know what to look for.</p><p>Struck or pressed ...</p><p><br /></p><p>This first 3 have problems in common, for example detail loss and transfer errors and softer details than the mother and individual characteristic from the mother and details if recutted (in mould or dies) are often different than they were in the authentic dies and can be detected with die studies.</p><p><br /></p><p>Modern die fakes have specific problems and can be easily detected in pictures and in hand if you know what to look for.</p><p>Struck or pressed ...</p><p>It is not only style it can be flan shape, weight, alloy composition, die axis, or other emission specific characteristicas of this emission.</p><p>Here knowledge about authentic examples of this emission is helpful.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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