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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 3136084, member: 19463&quot;]We have discussed that NGC Carisius here before and I fail to understand why NGC has not bid on it to get it off the market as an embarassment to them.&nbsp; The advice was given above to check a questionable seller&#039;s other items.&nbsp; This fake is listed by a dealer with noting but modern coins that would have no reason to know anything about ancients.&nbsp; If you buy from an eBay seller whose other lots are all Lincoln cents, you get what you deserve.</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree there are many jerks in the hobby including some that post here and some that number me among the jerks.&nbsp; I guess it is a matter of opinion.&nbsp; CT has a very usable &#039;Ignore&#039; feature where you can have posts by jerks using your definition disappear from your feed.&nbsp; I have used it on more than one occasion and recommend it highly to anyone bothered by the posts of any member myself included.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Cool graphic.&nbsp; Where did you get it? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie93" alt=":troll:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am particularly aware of the Carisius fake since I bought one several years ago and returned it for apologetic refund from the seller when we discovered the clones.&nbsp; </p><p>[ATTACH=full]800839[/ATTACH] </p><p>There are many of them now but I suspect the NGC one must have been slabbed when many of us were younger and less aware of the problem.&nbsp; Looking at the coin now, I can not believe that I bought it in the first place and that it fooled so many people, myself included, who should have known better.&nbsp; Does anyone know if you can tell when that NGC fake was slabbed (from the number???)? If David Vagi missed it ten years ago, I might tend to be more understanding while I would be more inclined to support burning him at the stake if he made that mistake yesterday.&nbsp; Have you heard the statistic that you are more likely to die in a traffic accident going to the post office to pick up your NGC package than you are to find a fake in a slab in that package?&nbsp; True or false?&nbsp; IDK. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>90% is an insult.&nbsp; Even I don&#039;t make one mistake in ten.&nbsp; 99% would be an insult also as would 99.9%.&nbsp; The NGC crew handles an obscene number of coins every day and makes so few mistakes that I would suspect that I would think a genuine NGC slab containing a fake coin would have a collector&#039;s value on its own just like original Paduans or first generation Beckers do.&nbsp;&nbsp; I wish I knew a true number for NGC errors.&nbsp; It is small.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Other slab companies are a completely different matter.&nbsp; Anything I said nice about NGC does <u>not</u> apply to the others.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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