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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;doug5353, post: 2143795, member: 73555&quot;]No, I don&#039;t and I never said that, and you deliberately twisted my words.&nbsp; My response reflected the original &quot;idea&quot; to create a petition.&nbsp; You are very naive to think that any great quantity of counterfeits (of the type we&#039;re discussing) are products of the U.S.; Chinese manufactures may be drop-shipped here for distribution, but China has unbeatable advantages -- cheap labor, plentiful silver, and quiet encouragement from the (Chinese) government.</p><p><br /></p><p>Besides, we&#039;re talking numismatic counterfeits here -- <u>spendable</u> fake U.S. currency, which you lumped into the mix, is a whole different issue.&nbsp; Rather surprising where the top producers are:</p><p><br /></p><p>&quot;...With its meticulous criminal craftsmen, cheap labor and, by some accounts, less effective law enforcement, Peru has in the past two years overtaken Colombia as the No. 1 source of counterfeit U.S. dollars, says the U.S. Secret Service, protector of the world&#039;s most widely traded currency...&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Before China (the PROBLEM) got into this business 10 or 15 years ago, I&#039;m sure the majority of counterfeit numismatic coins originated in the U.S., as you said, or Russia/Eastern Europe.&nbsp; Now those sources can&#039;t begin to compete on <u>price, technique, or capacity</u>.&nbsp; And the U.S. is in no position to force the issue.&nbsp; Nobody cares.</p><p><br /></p><p>If Steve Roach of Coin World schedules a talk (on Chinese counterfeits) at a club near you, go have a listen.</p><p><br /></p><p>Quote:&nbsp; &quot;Yes, China has a large market share of counterfeits that we currently see, but they are by no means the only source.&quot;&nbsp; Hmm, looks like China IS the problem, the biggest problem, the industry leader.</p><p><br /></p><p>Quote:&nbsp; &quot;The ONLY way to do that is to educate the consumers...&quot; (exactly what I implied) &gt;&gt; It&#039;s like drugs - go after the buyers...but in addition to educating them, confiscate any the Feds find.&nbsp; That oughta keep &#039;em busy a few years.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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