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<p>[QUOTE="jduyvun, post: 1011751, member: 27571"]Hi all. I was searching online for information on a coin I recently received and came across this forum. </p><p>I was naive and inexperienced and bid on an Ebay silver panda that seemed to be a good deal. Ebay has since taken down the listing but here is the link for reference:</p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItemVersion%26item%3D260652485992" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItemVersion%26item%3D260652485992" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=260652485992</a></p><p> </p><p>The auction listing title was called: "AAA2000 Chinese China Silver Panda Coin 10 Yuan" and the Ebay seller id was k_touch. The last time I looked at the seller ongoing listing, they had sold over 100+ of these coins. Again I purchased only one. On the package I received, it was incased in an approximately 7"x7"x3" block of styrofoam and the postage cost the seller 26 yuans or roughly US$4. </p><p> </p><p>Since the listing was taken down, I searched online and came across these listings on another site with the same picture I saw in the Ebay listing:</p><p><a href="http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--126574011" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--126574011" rel="nofollow">http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--126574011</a></p><p><a href="http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--149719409" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--149719409" rel="nofollow">http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--149719409</a></p><p> </p><p>Here are the pictures in case the links don't work:</p><p>[ATTACH]98125.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]98126.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p> </p><p>To my untrained eye at the time they seemed legit coins. Actually, now I still believe the auction listing pictures are of real coins compared to the image samples at <a href="http://www.apmex.com/Product/10180/2000_Silver_Chinese_Pandas_1_oz___Sealed.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.apmex.com/Product/10180/2000_Silver_Chinese_Pandas_1_oz___Sealed.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.apmex.com/Product/10180/2000_Silver_Chinese_Pandas_1_oz___Sealed.aspx</a></p><p> </p><p>The following pictures are of the Panda coin I received for the Ebay auction listing; because of the 5 attachment limit, go to <a href="http://bit.ly/aSsfHb" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://bit.ly/aSsfHb" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aSsfHb</a> to see a picture of the digital scale (Jennings JSV-Dually) I use to weigh a 2010 penny as a control measure. Notice on the reverse side of the coin, there seems to be a spot or smudge near the left side of the date. The smudge was there before I cracked open the double seal of the coin packaging. Not sure what this means as I have not opened up any other panda coins yet but I assume the coin should be immaculate. I measured the coin with my steel ruler and it appears to be approx. 40mm in diameter and 3.4mm in thickness as you would expect. However, the coin weighs 30.9g which is very close to the 31.1g we expect from 1 troy oz. The discrepancy could be explained by scale or minting margin of error. If we suppose this is a counterfeit coin, one must be worried how close they are getting the weight and size right on these pandas. Now if they can get the panda ears texture and number of posts on the bottom ring correct, it could be troublesome for all Panda collectors new and experienced alike.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="jduyvun, post: 1011751, member: 27571"]Hi all. I was searching online for information on a coin I recently received and came across this forum. I was naive and inexperienced and bid on an Ebay silver panda that seemed to be a good deal. Ebay has since taken down the listing but here is the link for reference: [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItemVersion%26item%3D260652485992"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=260652485992[/URL] The auction listing title was called: "AAA2000 Chinese China Silver Panda Coin 10 Yuan" and the Ebay seller id was k_touch. The last time I looked at the seller ongoing listing, they had sold over 100+ of these coins. Again I purchased only one. On the package I received, it was incased in an approximately 7"x7"x3" block of styrofoam and the postage cost the seller 26 yuans or roughly US$4. Since the listing was taken down, I searched online and came across these listings on another site with the same picture I saw in the Ebay listing: [URL]http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--126574011[/URL] [URL]http://www.ioffer.com/i/2000-Chinese-China-Silver-Panda-Coin-10-Yuan--149719409[/URL] Here are the pictures in case the links don't work: [ATTACH]98125.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]98126.vB[/ATTACH] To my untrained eye at the time they seemed legit coins. Actually, now I still believe the auction listing pictures are of real coins compared to the image samples at [URL]http://www.apmex.com/Product/10180/2000_Silver_Chinese_Pandas_1_oz___Sealed.aspx[/URL] The following pictures are of the Panda coin I received for the Ebay auction listing; because of the 5 attachment limit, go to [URL]http://bit.ly/aSsfHb[/URL] to see a picture of the digital scale (Jennings JSV-Dually) I use to weigh a 2010 penny as a control measure. Notice on the reverse side of the coin, there seems to be a spot or smudge near the left side of the date. The smudge was there before I cracked open the double seal of the coin packaging. Not sure what this means as I have not opened up any other panda coins yet but I assume the coin should be immaculate. I measured the coin with my steel ruler and it appears to be approx. 40mm in diameter and 3.4mm in thickness as you would expect. However, the coin weighs 30.9g which is very close to the 31.1g we expect from 1 troy oz. The discrepancy could be explained by scale or minting margin of error. If we suppose this is a counterfeit coin, one must be worried how close they are getting the weight and size right on these pandas. Now if they can get the panda ears texture and number of posts on the bottom ring correct, it could be troublesome for all Panda collectors new and experienced alike.[/QUOTE]
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