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<p>[QUOTE="teh_admiral, post: 3258457, member: 99788"][USER=73995]@Pickin and Grinin[/USER] Sorry, but you just made my point for me: you are all relying on VISUAL "guarantees" of authenticity based on an expert's opinion, an expert whose livelihood depends on being infallible. That is by no means a scientific guarantee, and what APMEX says about me is true in ANY circumstance: there's no proof that the coin wasn't switched with a fake at any time. And I said melt + emotional value, which is what [USER=99137]@TyCobb[/USER] means by "premium" : everyone pays a "premium" because we all want the coin for something other than melt value. Which is exactly what I said: an emotional judgement. The perfect example is APMEX double eagles: they've got MS-62's for under 1500 (last I checked), but on Ebay MS-62's are going in the 1500-2000 range. Because people are buying with their EMOTIONS and not any scientific, measurable value. Therefore, I did NOT screw up; everything I've said including the analogy to a used car has been spot-on ;D A baseball card is ALL emotional value; it has zero value to someone who doesn't even know who the player is or who doesn't care about baseball. Metals and minerals have "intrinsic" value, meaning utilitarian like tools or dinnerware. [USER=19765]@fretboard[/USER] And sorry, but it is only looking bad for everyone who's sitting on untested silver and gold. Because they can't bear to admit "stepping on something" or that their trustworthy dealer has never "stepped on something" or that a company like APMEX that has to deal in larger volumes might get swindled by PIRATES who've taken the time to reproduce 18k plated coppers or silver obols with authentic "wear" damage...</p><p><br /></p><p>The only grief I'm getting is from everyone who doesn't want to believe that they could have been had or their friend could have been had. If the coin shops were open today, I'd have already called them all looking for an XRF or the U of M for someone to help with a specific gravity test... I'm still open to hearing about histories of manufacture and how that affects content, coin-related science and histories......[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="teh_admiral, post: 3258457, member: 99788"][USER=73995]@Pickin and Grinin[/USER] Sorry, but you just made my point for me: you are all relying on VISUAL "guarantees" of authenticity based on an expert's opinion, an expert whose livelihood depends on being infallible. That is by no means a scientific guarantee, and what APMEX says about me is true in ANY circumstance: there's no proof that the coin wasn't switched with a fake at any time. And I said melt + emotional value, which is what [USER=99137]@TyCobb[/USER] means by "premium" : everyone pays a "premium" because we all want the coin for something other than melt value. Which is exactly what I said: an emotional judgement. The perfect example is APMEX double eagles: they've got MS-62's for under 1500 (last I checked), but on Ebay MS-62's are going in the 1500-2000 range. Because people are buying with their EMOTIONS and not any scientific, measurable value. Therefore, I did NOT screw up; everything I've said including the analogy to a used car has been spot-on ;D A baseball card is ALL emotional value; it has zero value to someone who doesn't even know who the player is or who doesn't care about baseball. Metals and minerals have "intrinsic" value, meaning utilitarian like tools or dinnerware. [USER=19765]@fretboard[/USER] And sorry, but it is only looking bad for everyone who's sitting on untested silver and gold. Because they can't bear to admit "stepping on something" or that their trustworthy dealer has never "stepped on something" or that a company like APMEX that has to deal in larger volumes might get swindled by PIRATES who've taken the time to reproduce 18k plated coppers or silver obols with authentic "wear" damage... The only grief I'm getting is from everyone who doesn't want to believe that they could have been had or their friend could have been had. If the coin shops were open today, I'd have already called them all looking for an XRF or the U of M for someone to help with a specific gravity test... I'm still open to hearing about histories of manufacture and how that affects content, coin-related science and histories......[/QUOTE]
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